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re: BASS Makes Louisiana "Off Limits"

Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:18 pm to
Posted by Drunken_tiger
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:18 pm to
I understand the law just fine. I just think it's bullshite that Louisiana chooses to interpret it arse backwards from every other state on the gulf coast.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86525 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 6:16 pm to
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What does that have to do with public access?
Exactly
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 7:01 pm to
quote:


I understand the law just fine. I just think it's bullshite that Louisiana chooses to interpret it arse backwards from every other state on the gulf coast.




They are arse backwards too when you die with their stupid usufruct rules.
Posted by PolyPusher86
St. George
Member since Jun 2010
3357 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 7:07 pm to
Good, now stay off my got damn property!!!
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86525 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 7:31 pm to
quote:

I understand the law just fine. I just think it's bullshite that Louisiana chooses to interpret it arse backwards from every other state on the gulf coast. They are arse backwards too when you die with their stupid usufruct rules.
I disagree on both counts.
Posted by ihometiger
Member since Dec 2013
12475 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:59 am to
Any public monies shall be prohibited from being used or benefitting any privately held land. In other words let the landowners finance their own coastal restoration efforts.

Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86525 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 7:27 am to
This is such a bad talking point.
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1825 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:26 am to
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public monies shall be prohibited from being used or benefitting any privately held land. 


Not sure I can get behind this thought process. I see the conflict, but I'm all for fixing the screw up that has been the major causes of costal erosion. Will a landowner benifit from the spending of public funds? Absolutely. But we all loose if we allow the coast to continue to disappear at the current rate. I'm ok with someone benefiting by gaining more terra firma, it's a gain by everyone indirectly.

Now, I say all that, but would like to make sure the future bayous and canals that are formed by this free flowing waters are navigable by law if navigable in fact.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86525 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:34 am to
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we all loose if we allow the coast to continue to disappear at the current rate. I'm ok with someone benefiting by gaining more terra firma, it's a gain by everyone indirectly.

Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12961 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 9:52 am to
All I'm going to ask is what would the Corps of Engineers call those waterways that are being claimed as private?

I mean, let's be real here, if the state wants to go by some map from 1812, then who owns all the land that the Calcasieu Ship Channel was dug through?
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86525 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:13 am to
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All I'm going to ask is what would the Corps of Engineers call those waterways that are being claimed as private?
I have no idea. I'm not even sure what you're asking.

quote:

I mean, let's be real here, if the state wants to go by some map from 1812, then who owns all the land that the Calcasieu Ship Channel was dug through?


There's not going to be one catch all that solves the issue presented by all the various waterways.
Posted by TheCurmudgeon
Not where I want to be
Member since Aug 2014
1481 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:27 am to
The Louisiana Constitution prohibits the donation or giving of public money to private people or businesses. However, a whole lot of public money is spent on private marshland trying to protect and restore it.

Also, when talking about the law, people usually overlook La. Revised Statute 56:3 which reads:

§3. Ownership of wild birds, quadrupeds, fish, aquatic life, water bottoms, oysters, and shellfish
A. The ownership and title to all wild birds, and wild quadrupeds, fish, other aquatic life, the beds and bottoms of rivers, streams, bayous, lagoons, lakes, bays, sounds, and inlets bordering on or connecting with the Gulf of Mexico within the territory or jurisdiction of the state, including all oysters and other shellfish and parts thereof grown thereon, either naturally or cultivated, and all oysters in the shells after they are caught or taken therefrom, are and remain the property of the state, and shall be under the exclusive control of the Wildlife and Fisheries Commission except as provided in R.S. 56:4.
B. Wild birds, quadrupeds, fish, other aquatic life, and the beds and bottoms of rivers, streams, bayous, lagoons, lakes, bays, sounds, and inlets bordering on or connecting with the Gulf of Mexico, within the territorial jurisdiction of the state, including all oysters and other shellfish and parts thereof grown thereon, either naturally or cultivated, and all oysters in the shells after they are caught or taken therefrom, shall not be taken, sold, or had in possession except as otherwise permitted in this Title; and the title of the state to all such wild birds, quadrupeds, fish, and other aquatic life, even though taken in accordance with the provisions of this Title, and the beds and bottoms of rivers, streams, bayous, lagoons, lakes, bays, sounds, and inlets always remains in the state for the purpose of regulating and controlling the use and disposition thereof.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86525 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:42 am to
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However, a whole lot of public money is spent on private marshland trying to protect and restore it.

There's all kinds of things like this. Want to stop paying for levees?
Posted by TheCurmudgeon
Not where I want to be
Member since Aug 2014
1481 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:50 am to
Levees are not an accurate comparison, as there is either a servitude on the property for the levee to sit on, or the government "took" the land the levee sits on. I don't see how this equates to spending state money to protect/restore privately owned marshland.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86525 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:01 am to
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. I don't see how this equates to spending state money to protect/restore privately owned marshland.
Levees protect LOTS of private land nowhere near the levees.
Posted by crap4brain
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2004
2662 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:10 am to
I don't understand why they cant put posted signs. If I don't want people hunting my land I put posted signs up. I don't see how they could enforce a ticket for fishing on "private water" when there is nothing indicating it as such.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86525 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:20 am to
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I don't understand why they cant put posted signs.
I HATE that newish law.
Posted by TheCurmudgeon
Not where I want to be
Member since Aug 2014
1481 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:24 am to
So does marshland as it knocks down storm surge, but so what?

The money spent on levees is spent on gov't owned property. the money spent on private marsh land is not.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86525 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:27 am to
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The money spent on levees is spent on gov't owned property.
Nope.

Posted by TheCurmudgeon
Not where I want to be
Member since Aug 2014
1481 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:28 am to
I agree with you here. I don't even think the trespassing law can be constitutionally applied in the vast majority of instances as applied to fishermen in a boat in the marsh. Criminal law is supposed to be clear and easy to avoid violating. Here you need to engage an expert on land status in 1812 and argue about navigability and how a couple cases may or may not help.
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