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At what temp do you think it's safe to leave a deer overnight?
Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:48 pm
Always worry about shooting one late in the evening and can't find him. Haven't had to do this yet but I'm sure it will happen one day. At what temp do you say "let's back out and leave, he will be fine come morning?"
I know low 30's would be fine but what's the upper limit you would leave one overnight?
I know low 30's would be fine but what's the upper limit you would leave one overnight?
Posted on 11/6/17 at 5:57 am to JamalSanders
Low 30's due to the guts are still in it. That holds a lot of heat.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:16 am to HogBalls
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At what temp do you think it's safe to leave a deer overnight?
Around me probably about 18 degrees. That should get it frozen hard enough a coyote could only lick on it a little.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:17 am to HogBalls
Guts in I would want it to have a frost for the meat to be safe. Then find it early the next morning before the sun gets up high.
In south texas they hang gutted, hide on deer in like 80+ over night everyday.
In south texas they hang gutted, hide on deer in like 80+ over night everyday.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:33 am to HogBalls
You’ll be fine for anything in the 50s
It’s not ideal but neither is pushing a wounded deer.
The meat will still be good.
It’s not ideal but neither is pushing a wounded deer.
The meat will still be good.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:40 am to fishfighter
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That holds a lot of heat.
Not only does it hold heat, it generates it as bacteria in the gut and the rumen continue to work. I don't know if I'd fool with a deer that had been sitting in anything less than low 30s overnight.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 8:11 am to HogBalls
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Always worry about shooting one late in the evening and can't find him. Haven't had to do this yet but I'm sure it will happen one day. At what temp do you say "let's back out and leave, he will be fine come morning?"
I know low 30's would be fine but what's the upper limit you would leave one overnight?
No simple answer as there are far too many variables here, size of animal, exposure time after death, etc
For example if the animal did not die until midnight you will not likely be able to percieve a carcus temp difference between 40º and 32º weather, that would take much longer.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 8:39 am to cave canem
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For example if the animal did not die until midnight
Yep. Just because it was shot just before dark does not mean it died then.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:00 am to HogBalls
I keep my refrigerator at 34 so that would work. I would say anything below 40 is good though.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:15 am to HogBalls
just go find the deer
if it smells rotten then it is
if it smells rotten then it is
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:22 am to HogBalls
shoot a round that makes it hard for them to run far, and learn to shoot in proper spot
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:49 am to HogBalls
I have no idea why people are so squeamish about whole animals sitting for a night. People used to age their meat by hanging it for days if not weeks and I guarantee that great grandpa didn't have a temperature and humidity controlled meat locker. Especially if the deer is whole and the meat is whole and uncut. Just get up early to go find it, and don't make steak tartare out of it and you should be good to go.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 10:52 am to gorillacoco
Huge difference between hanging a field dressed carcass and leaving the guts in it.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:49 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Huge difference between hanging a field dressed carcass and leaving the guts in it.
The old recommended way to hang ducks is guts and all, provided they're not gutshot.
How do the guts spoil the meat if you don't shoot the deer in the guts? There's no way for the guts to get in the meat.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:26 am to gorillacoco
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The old recommended way to hang ducks is guts and all, provided they're not gutshot.
I'm not a duck hunter, but them being smaller and not ruminants makes them very different from deer.
Ever seen a "blown up" carcass? That bloating is caused by bacteria in the gut (and the stomach in ruminants that essentially ferment their food) producing gas and, more importantly, heat.
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How do the guts spoil the meat if you don't shoot the deer in the guts? There's no way for the guts to get in the meat.
Yes, it will take awhile for that bacteria to migrate from the gut to the actual meat, but it will. Even if the animal has bled pretty good, blood is the perfect food for bacteria and vessels serve as highways in to the meat. Some gut parasites actually reproduce this way, counting on being eaten by a predator. Leaving the carcass intact not only insulates it but provides a nice little oven that makes the bacteria grow exponentially faster.
That's why field dressing before hanging became common practice in the old days. It's the best of both worlds, outside of icing it down. Removes the source of bacteria, opens up a nice cavity for airflow to cool the carcass, but prevents spreading bacteria directly to the meat by knife cuts.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:05 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Yes, it will take awhile for that bacteria to migrate from the gut to the actual meat, but it will. Even if the animal has bled pretty good, blood is the perfect food for bacteria and vessels serve as highways in to the meat. Some gut parasites actually reproduce this way, counting on being eaten by a predator. Leaving the carcass intact not only insulates it but provides a nice little oven that makes the bacteria grow exponentially faster. That's why field dressing before hanging became common practice in the old days. It's the best of both worlds, outside of icing it down. Removes the source of bacteria, opens up a nice cavity for airflow to cool the carcass, but prevents spreading bacteria directly to the meat by knife cuts.
I mean I totally agree it's better to have a gutted deer. I just don't think that bacteria grows and spreads through the blood that quickly. Those "highways" are sterile before the deer gets shot and stop moving once it dies. I also agree the deer may bloat if left for any amount of time, really. We've skinned deer that just lay for 2-3 hours and were bloated. That doesn't necessarily introduce bacteria to the interior of the muscles though.
I've let deer lie outside for a night in the 50s and did not have any issue with the meat. I know this isn't a scientific conclusion but I think in general whole uncut meat is sterile before a deer dies and is pretty well protected inside a deer from contamination by bacteria, particularly inside of a timeframe of 10-12 hours. The (admittedly limited) experience I have with waiting to find a deer backs this up.
Obviously there isn't some hard and fast rule about this, so personally when cleaning any game I use the smell test once you start cleaning, and that applies to all animals no matter how well kept they are. If the guts have gotten into the meat you should be able to easily smell it.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 12:16 pm to gorillacoco
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I know this isn't a scientific conclusion but I think in general whole uncut meat is sterile before a deer dies and is pretty well protected inside a deer from contamination by bacteria, particularly inside of a timeframe of 10-12 hours. The (admittedly limited) experience I have with waiting to find a deer backs this up.
This is more or less the conversation being had. There’s too many variables and real complicated math involved to make any definitive statements, so it’s really just up to personal experience and the smell test. I was just pointing out that hanging meat without the guts is very different from a deer laying on the ground with the guts in, and why. With the guts in, the clock is ticking a LOT faster.
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