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re: Apparently the AR-15 was NOT used in the School Shooting (disproved ((maybe)))
Posted on 12/28/12 at 8:55 am to wiltznucs
Posted on 12/28/12 at 8:55 am to wiltznucs
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No your absolutely right, and to be clear I'm not indicting anyone on this forum. But there are other websites and emails circulating that are convinced this is a government conspiracy on the highest order and I just view that as pissing on the graves of a bunch of children. I'm sorry if any of you feel like I was berating you...
No problem Wiltz...
Hopefully most of us can discern the whack-job conspiracists from what truly happened and ignore that crap. Those of us who are of sound mind need to make sure our voices are heard the right way (see my "Urgent" post on this page).
Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:06 am to wiltznucs
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I believe wholeheartedly that anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of firearms could readily distinguish a 223 rifle wound from a 9mm/40 caliber handgun wound. Certainly the EMT's, Paramedics, Physicians and LEO's would pick them out in a heartbeat.
yeah because apparently there were so many gunshot victims in the newtown area before the school shooting everyone there can tell the difference..
HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD HAVE SEEN A PERSON - IN REAL LIFE THAN HAS BEEN SHOT?
I venture to say.. most of the people you are referring too have never seen a real life gunshot victim prior to this...
Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:29 am to choupiquesushi
The ME has seen many, many gunshot victims before. He wasn't trained in Connecticut. Lets also not forget that when you investigate a shooting and there are .223 casings all over the floor, the victims were most likely shot with a .223.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:35 am to choupiquesushi
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HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD HAVE SEEN A PERSON - IN REAL LIFE THAN HAS BEEN SHOT?
I venture to say.. most of the people you are referring too have never seen a real life gunshot victim prior to this...
So because the shooting happened in rural Connecticut and not Detroit the LEO's, Paramedics, ER/Trauma Physicians and EMT's which all have Certifications and education regarding the matter are somehow rendered incapable?
Most people have never delivered the Heimlich maneuver, does this mean they are incapable of identifying a person that is choking?
Most people have never been bit by a snake, does this render a person incapable of identying two parallel piercing wounds that correspond to a reptile at their feet?
All the LEO's, Paramedics and EMT's and first responders on the scene had ample opportunity to identify not only the nature of the wounds (entry and exit or entry alone?) but also to survey the scene. Given that a reported 100 shots were fired I'm sure a shell casing or two was lying around.
The fact that a person hasnt seen a gunshot doesnt render them incomptent.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:39 am to wiltznucs
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The fact that a person hasnt seen a gunshot doesnt render them incomptent.
it greatly lessens their expertise in the subtle differences that they/you are referring too.. and we all know that...
you and others are calling them experts on something they have likely not seen in their professional careers....
treating a snake bite and the heimlich are very different matters... kemosabe... typical liberal spin.. deflect to irrelevance... classic
Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:45 am to choupiquesushi
Cutting and running when confronted with a mountain of sound logical evidence and a bit of name calling on the way out the door. Nice...
Posted on 12/28/12 at 9:52 am to choupiquesushi
First of all, nobody cares what EMTs or ER physicians think or know. The LEO's are going to determine what guns were used by looking at the physical evidence left at the scene. Guns, casings, bullet holes, so on and so forth. The ME is going to perform autopsies and determine if the bullet wounds fit with the type of weapons or casings recovered at the scene and possibly find bullets or fragments remaining behind. The ONLY PERSON WHO NEEDS TO HAVE SEEN A BULLET WOUND IS THE MEDICAL EXAMINER. Since this is in Connecticut, he probably covers a wide area and performs 200 autopsies or so a year. You think a ME with grey hair has never seen a bullet wound? If so, then you are too stupid to argue with.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:02 am to wiltznucs
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So because the shooting happened in rural Connecticut and not Detroit the LEO's, Paramedics, ER/Trauma Physicians and EMT's which all have Certifications and education regarding the matter are somehow rendered incapable?
Most people have never delivered the Heimlich maneuver, does this mean they are incapable of identifying a person that is choking?
Most people have never been bit by a snake, does this render a person incapable of identying two parallel piercing wounds that correspond to a reptile at their feet?
All the LEO's, Paramedics and EMT's and first responders on the scene had ample opportunity to identify not only the nature of the wounds (entry and exit or entry alone?) but also to survey the scene. Given that a reported 100 shots were fired I'm sure a shell casing or two was lying around.
The fact that a person hasnt seen a gunshot doesnt render them incompten
But that was not your original statement, you said that anybody with any experience would be able to tell the difference between a gunshot made with a 223 vs with a 9mm or .40
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I believe wholeheartedly that anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of firearms could readily distinguish a 223 rifle wound from a 9mm/40 caliber handgun wound. Certainly the EMT's, Paramedics, Physicians and LEO's would pick them out in a heartbeat.
and I would argue that few people could walk up on a dead child and just look at the gunshot wound and be able to accurately state the caliber they were shot with, or even differentiate the calibers stated
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:03 am to wiltznucs
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Cutting and running when confronted with a mountain of sound logical evidence
your opinion.. differs greatly from mine... cutting and running and not being brought down to your level are completely different animals...
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:04 am to Yellerhammer5
quote:I cannot believe we are talking about wounds when we have this.
Lets also not forget that when you investigate a shooting and there are .223 casings all over the floor, the victims were most likely shot with a .223.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:05 am to Yellerhammer5
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You think a ME with grey hair has never seen a bullet wound? If so, then you are too stupid to argue with.
I know one... not gonna give you his name.. but I have hunted on his property - and he was a ME.. at age 65.. and as a physician prior to that had never seen a gunshot wound..
also.. in the area where he was ME.. in the time that he was.... the only gunshot wounds he saw were suicides...
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:07 am to choupiquesushi
I deposed a guy with three in his abdomen/thorax. Covered in some kind of plastic. he was proud to show them off
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:08 am to Yellerhammer5
there was so much disinformation intitially, as the media outlets desperately spewed forth every single rumor and half truth, in an effort to the firstest with the mostest. I recall hearing the Bushmaster was in the trunk, but the carnage sounded impossible to accomplish with just a couple of semi-auto pistols. I would imagine all the LEOs can easily look at the casings on the floor and determine what what fired. Any person with even the most limited understanding of weapons can differentiate btw rifle and pistol brass, and shotgun shells. Not sure about wounds but the brass would tell the tale.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:09 am to AlxTgr
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Lets also not forget that when you investigate a shooting and there are .223 casings all over the floor, the victims were most likely shot with a .223.
I cannot believe we are talking about wounds when we have this.
This. The other BS is just dumb. I walk up to my dead child to ID them and no way I am concentrating on determining if the bullet hole was a 1/4 or 1/2 inch larger than the claimed round used. Thats the least of my concerns.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:10 am to Mung
quote:Uh, how's that?
but the carnage sounded impossible to accomplish with just a couple of semi-auto pistols.
Weather is passing. How bad will the walk in trail be?
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:11 am to AlxTgr
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I cannot believe we are talking about wounds when we have this
I would imagine all the LEOs can easily look at the casings on the floor and determine what what fired. Any person with even the most limited understanding of weapons can differentiate btw rifle and pistol brass, and shotgun shells. Not sure about wounds but the brass would tell the tale.
completely agree, was disputing his claim that anyone with any gun knowledge would be able to differentiate the wounds made from different calibers
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:12 am to AlxTgr
I said a couple of days after that I was almost sure I saw that AR in the trunk. So many reports from state troopers and coroners came in that he used it, but I could've sworn I saw it in the trunk
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:13 am to AlxTgr
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but the carnage sounded impossible to accomplish with just a couple of semi-auto pistols.
Uh, how's that?
see VA tech shooting.....
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:18 am to Tigerpaw123
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But that was not your original statement, you said that anybody with any experience would be able to tell the difference between a gunshot made with a 223 vs with a 9mm or .40
I still stand by that statement, I worked in the largest trauma center in Atlanta and now the second largest Trauma center in FL. I've seen quite a few gunshots now and can say with reasonable certainty that if I presented most of you sportsmen with a gunshot wound from the 223 or a handgun and asked you to determine what it was that 95% or more of the time you'd get it right by simply looking at the entry and if available the exit wound.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:20 am to AlxTgr
with the number of shots fired, so many mags required for pistol vs. AR(ie. 30 vs 9-10). Reports indicated one kid shot 11x; many with multiple wounds. Too hard to even think about, all those little kids.
I do see your point about the Va Tech shooter though.
I do see your point about the Va Tech shooter though.
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