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re: Anyone gone down The Ranch Fairy rabbit hole...

Posted on 7/12/21 at 6:38 pm to
Posted by TexasHand
Mississippi
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 6:38 pm to
My arrow is 600 grains and 20ish FOC out of a Hoyt Carbon Spyder Turbo. I don’t have that issue....
Posted by GATORGAR247
Member since Aug 2017
994 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 6:41 pm to
Good for you . You also don't shoot past 50 yards with that easy v sight.
I'm not the ole boy who shoots 2 weeks before season . I have a 5 gallon bucket of arrows I've tried. .if it works for you great. It didn't work for me and I was passing along my experience.

Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18137 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 6:43 pm to
It’s not that far off. All depends on your draw weight, actual fps, and zero of your pin. At 260fps you’re gonna hit 8 inches low if holding a zero’d 20 yard pin at a 30 yard target. 260fps is in the ballpark of 600gr, 29”, 70lbs. Bow efficiency obviously comes into play there.
Posted by TexasHand
Mississippi
Member since Sep 2013
1355 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 7:44 pm to
Lol I shoot all the time and i don’t have a need to shoot over 50. For what i do, i have no issues. I wasn’t talking about shooting 50+, i’m talking 20-30. I couldn’t care less what my hold is for 70 yards lol....
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 7:48 pm
Posted by TexasHand
Mississippi
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 7:46 pm to
That’s the beauty of it, to each is own.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 7:51 pm
Posted by tigamike
Member since Jun 2005
5199 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:11 pm to
I have stuff ordered for a build I am calculating will put me at about 585 grains with 200 up front and ~ 16-17% FOC. 30” draw at about 68# from an elite synergy. Hoping to get about 270 FPS from this set up.

Been shooting a 475 grain arrow before this build with 125 up front and about 11%FOC.

Anxious to see how it shoots
Posted by TexasHand
Mississippi
Member since Sep 2013
1355 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:27 pm to
I have two hunting buddies with Elite Synergy, excellent quiet and smooth bow. When they get up around 580+ it really drags the speed down. Person dependent you may get 270ish out of it. If you can’t i wouldn’t sweat it, my wife and other people i know are well below that and have no issues with deer. Now, you start moon arching pronghorn or something, it’s a different ballgame.
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2966 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:43 am to

quote:

The ballistics alone show why you can’t compare the two. “All the other stuff” just shows why it’s that much worse with a slower arrow.


This is timely
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2966 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 12:08 pm to
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i shoot an EZV sight


How do you like it? I have one arriving this week.
Posted by TexasHand
Mississippi
Member since Sep 2013
1355 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 2:00 pm to
Man, it took some getting used to (practice) but its all i’ll ever use. Being able to eliminate a range finder is almost priceless for me. The only real downsides are visibility past legal shooting light and shooting over say 50-55 yards.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86351 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 2:37 pm to
Did he ever graph out arrow drop at various distances?
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2966 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

The only real downsides are visibility past legal shooting light and shooting over say 50-55 yards.



Well that's good, I don't do either of those.

Thanks

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Did he ever graph out arrow drop at various distances?


I don't think that has been published yet. I think he mentioned that it would be shared later. I hope he does produce that. I would like to look over the ballistics of what they are seeing.

From that video it appears that the drop isn't as bad as I thought it would be, however you do lose fps due to the weight. Inside 30 yards I don't know that it will make that much of a difference.
This post was edited on 7/13/21 at 3:00 pm
Posted by TexasHand
Mississippi
Member since Sep 2013
1355 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:35 pm to
I think it’s all part of what they are working on now. I personally find it interesting.
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2966 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 8:37 am to
quote:

I think it’s all part of what they are working on now. I personally find it interesting.


Me too. I've followed him for about a year now. I've learned more about archery in the last 12 months than I have most of my life. It's made me research different aspects of Archery and certainly made me shoot more. My heads are sharper than they've ever been too.

Hopefully they will publish the information in a chart version that makes sense.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86351 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:07 am to
I guess what puzzles me about all this is, I shoot short draw(27") at 60-62lbs with expandables, and unless I hit the spine, I get pass throughs into the ground. The only thing I worry greatly about is true arrow flight. That harms penetration for me more than anything else. I have never sharpened a blade either. Just seems like answers to questions no one has ever asked(in the South East whitetail realm)
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2966 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

I shoot short draw(27") at 60-62lbs

I'm 26" 65lbs

quote:

with expandables, and unless I hit the spine, I get pass throughs into the ground.


I've always shot cut on contact. I have always had pass throughs as well. Had buddies that shoot mechanicals and they seem to have more issues finding deer. Hit them perfect in the perfect scenario and they work great. when ole Iffy comes around, not so much... I am not knocking them at all. I just have always had luck with COC heads.

What intrigues me about it is, I don't have to worry about hitting bone. If I miss a little left or right and hit shoulder with a heavier setup, it goes through like butter. Not so much with the lighter setups.

I can't control the animals reaction once I let the arrow fly. So I like being better prepared for it.

besides all of that though, whether you shoot heavy or light, you should know what your arrow is doing upon release.

I shot earlier this week both heavy and light. Bow still setup for light. I shot two bare shaft heavy arrows (601gr), they hit right and a little high.

I shot lighter (380gr) and I clipped the target the first shot and the 2nd I hit the top of the target and still haven't found the arrow.

I got truer flight out of the heavier arrows that the bow was not tuned for than I did with the actual arrows that I have been shooting for years.

If I shoot the light arrow with fletching, I am on target.

I can't explain that but I know which I feel more confident shooting now
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86351 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

Had buddies that shoot mechanicals and they seem to have more issues finding deer.
So many variables. I only buy small diameter. Things like the Steelhead, which is still the best penetrating head I have ever shot.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18137 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

The only thing I worry greatly about is true arrow flight. That harms penetration for me more than anything else.


Paper tuning and indexing spine helped me a ton with this. Once all your arrows fly the same, you know a bad tear is in your grip or the bow. It’s instant visual feedback on your grip. A ton of efficiency can be lost just getting the arrow straightened out in flight. High foc can smooth this out a ton but doesn’t fix it, which is my beef with hand loading. You can quite literally handload to your flaws.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86351 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:48 pm to
I never knew how much I could torque the handle until i got a no-peep. Talk about an easy fix.

Ever since, I started shooting with one of those slick as otter snot gloves so the handle could not catch/grab my skin.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
15582 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 2:33 pm to
Just curious, what kind of FPS are y'all getting with draws that short? I shoot 28", 63 lbs with a ~400 gr arrow set up and am getting 220 FPS.
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