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3rd gen Ram Ecodiesel
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:03 pm
Any of you guys have any experience with the Ram Ecodiesel? I know starting in ‘20 was their third generation of the engine with a lot of new/redesigned components. Mainly interested in it as I thought my driving would decrease but I am still averaging around 2500 miles a month. Currently have a 2020 Ram 2500 with the 6.4, average 14-15, on trips to Texas I have gotten 16.
Current truck recommends 89 and I noticed the 1500s recommend the same thing, so that puts me currently paying within a couple cents of diesel anyway. Weighing the Ecodiesel vs waiting on the new Tundra and it’s turbo engine.
Current truck recommends 89 and I noticed the 1500s recommend the same thing, so that puts me currently paying within a couple cents of diesel anyway. Weighing the Ecodiesel vs waiting on the new Tundra and it’s turbo engine.
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:12 pm to ruger35
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Currently have a 2020 Ram 2500 with the 6.4, average 14-15, on trips to Texas I have gotten 16.
Gonna be hard to do any worse.
AFAIK the ecodiesels have been pretty reliable lately and get good fuel mileage.
Also take a look at the Ford and GM half ton diesel offerings.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:17 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I may look at the ‘21 F-150s, but this will be the first year for the 5.0 to have cylinder deactivation so I don’t trust that. The 3.5 is good, but the Fords are third on my list as far as what I like.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:43 pm to ruger35
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5.0 to have cylinder deactivation
That was going to be my next truck.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 11:06 pm to ruger35
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this will be the first year for the 5.0 to have cylinder deactivation so I don’t trust that.
I would not trust that either. I’d just go with the ecoboost.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 11:06 pm to ruger35
It is hard to make up for the cost premium of a diesel in a half ton, heck I'd get gas in a 2500 if I went that big. I had a diesel, it was a PITA with DEF, gassers parked at the only diesel pump, diesel actually costing more than gas. I'll stick to gas unless for some reason I decide to start towing heavy daily. My 5.7 hemi (2009) pulls my 23ft boat just fine.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 11:10 pm to armsdealer
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It is hard to make up for the cost premium of a diesel in a half ton, heck I'd get gas in a 2500 if I went that big. I had a diesel, it was a PITA with DEF, gassers parked at the only diesel pump, diesel actually costing more than gas. I'll stick to gas unless for some reason I decide to start towing heavy daily. My 5.7 hemi (2009) pulls my 23ft boat just fine.
I agree with the cost premium, luckily in the half ton for ram it’s only $3500. If everything breaks even I would enjoy the range you get with the 33 gal tank as I make a few BBQ runs each year to Texas. The Ford 1/2 ton diesel makes zero sense, barely more than an Ecoboost and then you are comparing regular to diesel gas prices.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 6:23 am to ruger35
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5.0 to have cylinder deactivation
why in the hell would ford do this? they already have a lighter body and a ten speed transmission to help with MPG. I have the 5.0 in a crew cab 4x4 and has gotten has high as 22 mpg. maybe they should see how that has worked out in the 5.3 gm's......
Posted on 1/8/21 at 7:08 am to GREENHEAD22
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5.0 to have cylinder deactivation
That was going to be my next truck.
Get laptop.
Download forscan trial.
Get USB to ECM plugin from Amazon
Turn off with program
Enjoy the truck.
I've done a lot with my f250. Turned off a guys auto shutoff in his 2.5 eco f150. YouTube forscan
This post was edited on 1/8/21 at 7:10 am
Posted on 1/8/21 at 7:16 am to ruger35
Specifically talking about the diesels.
Put a spreadsheet together and see, you might drive enough for the diesel to pay off. It takes a lot of driving.
My 2018 ram 3/4 ton has gotten as good as 21 mpg on a trip before and its still getting better at 20k miles so I imagine the half tons are all in the 30's, but I dont know a whole whole lot about them.
Put a spreadsheet together and see, you might drive enough for the diesel to pay off. It takes a lot of driving.
My 2018 ram 3/4 ton has gotten as good as 21 mpg on a trip before and its still getting better at 20k miles so I imagine the half tons are all in the 30's, but I dont know a whole whole lot about them.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 7:18 am to ruger35
I had the 1st Gen. Never had any issues despite the recalls and lawsuits. Got 28-29mpg on the highway. I personally will never own another diesel. Too many government restrictions.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 7:40 am to armsdealer
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It is hard to make up for the cost premium of a diesel in a half ton, heck I'd get gas in a 2500 if I went that big. I had a diesel, it was a PITA with DEF, gassers parked at the only diesel pump, diesel actually costing more than gas.
The extra cost for the diesel engine is like $3-4k.
I've got 45000 miles on my 2018 ecodiesel and i think i might have filled up my DEF maybe 5 times. You walk into a RaceTrac and get two jugs of Blue DEF and fill it up when you get gas. Not sure what's a PITA about having to do that every 8-10 thousand miles. The PITA part about this truck is the expensive arse oil change and having to change the fuel filter so often.
I will say that when you get outside Baton Rouge, finding diesel pumps is a pain in the arse, especially in shitty MS and shitty AL. But in BR, there's diesel pumps all over the place.
I haven't had any issues with my 2018 Ram Ecodiesel. probably average around 22mpg lately b/c i'm not traveling as much and doing a lot more city driving, but when i'm traveling more, it's usually around 26mpg, and i don't drive slow.
This post was edited on 1/8/21 at 7:52 am
Posted on 1/8/21 at 7:55 am to TeddyPadillac
DEF cost is nearly negligible. Its cheap and unless you're towing heavy you'll never notice the needle move.
Maintenance cost concerns are justifiable. I dont think you'll find many examples of a person coming out ahead in total cost of ownership with a diesel vs comparable gas. Fleet accounts going to gas trucks proves that unquestionably.
I do think the mileage to break even on a half ton diesel is likely much less than with the HD trucks though. I'll have to see what the new models are doing and figure it out. I'm figuring on getting one of some brand when my truck is paid off. I've been bitching about them not being offered for a long time and need to put my money where my mouth is now
Maintenance cost concerns are justifiable. I dont think you'll find many examples of a person coming out ahead in total cost of ownership with a diesel vs comparable gas. Fleet accounts going to gas trucks proves that unquestionably.
I do think the mileage to break even on a half ton diesel is likely much less than with the HD trucks though. I'll have to see what the new models are doing and figure it out. I'm figuring on getting one of some brand when my truck is paid off. I've been bitching about them not being offered for a long time and need to put my money where my mouth is now
Posted on 1/8/21 at 9:05 am to TeddyPadillac
Thats because farms baws don't buy diesel at the pumps. They have it sent to their house.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 10:54 am to ruger35
I made a spreadsheet 2 years ago when I was looking to buy an eco diesel. It takes into account the cost of oil changes, fuel filter changes, air filters, and def fluid all at the recommended intervals and doing the work yourself. I also used epa fuel economy numbers for standard driving and reported mpg for trailer towing. I had a few math wizzards look it over and they said the math on the sheet was good. I even shared it on a truck forum and didn't get ridiculed for it, LOL.
My findings were that the ecodiesel is cheaper to own long term barring mechanical failure. The more you drive and tow the faster the cost of the engine pays itself off. Short term or if you trade every few years, then it may not be worth it unless you just want the extended driving range for long trips.
It takes about of 120,000 mi to pay off the premiem over the standard v6 not towing. It only takes about 18-20,000 miles of towing to save about $5,000 over towing with the 5.7 hemi or the V6.
During my research I found that the Ford is the worst. The GM and Ram are much better choices over all. The GM is the fastest and is 1 mpg better than the Ram for towing and regular driving. Check out The Fast Lane Truck on youtube and their website. Those guys give the best info on the web.
My findings were that the ecodiesel is cheaper to own long term barring mechanical failure. The more you drive and tow the faster the cost of the engine pays itself off. Short term or if you trade every few years, then it may not be worth it unless you just want the extended driving range for long trips.
It takes about of 120,000 mi to pay off the premiem over the standard v6 not towing. It only takes about 18-20,000 miles of towing to save about $5,000 over towing with the 5.7 hemi or the V6.
During my research I found that the Ford is the worst. The GM and Ram are much better choices over all. The GM is the fastest and is 1 mpg better than the Ram for towing and regular driving. Check out The Fast Lane Truck on youtube and their website. Those guys give the best info on the web.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 11:36 am to mrcoon
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During my research I found that the Ford is the worst. The GM and Ram are much better choices over all. The GM is the fastest and is 1 mpg better than the Ram for towing and regular driving.
I agree 100% on Ford being the worst. I think that is why they are waiting until the end of this year to roll it out if they even do. Biggest issue with GM is the oil pump is belt driven and you have to drop the transmission to service it. It may be the same case with Ram, but I’ve never seen anyone even mention that on the forums. There have been documented cases of it failing with the baby Duramax already and if you’re out of warranty that’s a $3500 bill I believe.
I’ve done some rough math, I drive about 70 miles round trip a day to work. That couples with BBQ trips to Texas roughly 2-3 times a year, and a vacation every year doesn’t seem like it would take long to break even. Biggest way to save on maintenance is prepaying for the oil changes through Ram. I’ve been reading 4 oil changes for around $110/each and do the fuel filter yourself. Unfortunately there are no tunes out yet to electronically turn off the dual EGR system on the 3rd gens.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 11:37 am to mrcoon
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takes about of 120,000 mi to pay off the premiem over the standard v6 not towing. It only takes about 18-20,000 miles of towing to save about $5,000 over towing with the 5.7 hemi or the V6.
During my research I found that the Ford is the worst. The GM and Ram are much better choices over all. The GM is the fastest and is 1 mpg better than the Ram for towing and regular driving
Thanks for saving everyone the effort
Posted on 1/8/21 at 3:06 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Have you tried 87 octane OP? There's no reason to use 89 unless your vehicle knocks or whatever from 87. There's no other benefit. I'd suggest that.
This is what it comes down to IMO, diesel makes sense for guys that need the diesel every day for work or at least weekly for play like towing a boat. If a gas can get you by and you even need to consider doing a a table to compare costs, go gas. Gas is easier, its cheaper, and its more available. It just doesn't seem to be worth it to me.
If you truly want to save money, I'd look hard at something like the Ford 2.7.
This is what it comes down to IMO, diesel makes sense for guys that need the diesel every day for work or at least weekly for play like towing a boat. If a gas can get you by and you even need to consider doing a a table to compare costs, go gas. Gas is easier, its cheaper, and its more available. It just doesn't seem to be worth it to me.
If you truly want to save money, I'd look hard at something like the Ford 2.7.
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