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Updated: Goofed on Ballistics 300 Hamr Wilson Combat AR15 range report

Posted on 3/23/19 at 4:49 pm
Posted by Timmayy
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 3/23/19 at 4:49 pm
TLDR: this is a new wildcat round on the at-15 platform that actually carries some arse behind it and might be a legit 0-200yd pig gun.

So my dad had a hardon for 300blk for the longest time much to my chagrin. I tried to tell him it’s a great pdw but too underpowered for reliable hunting, especially on pigs. He would not take the hint. Finally he shot a pig and never found it or blood so he started to believe me. I tried to convince him into a light POF ar10 but he won’t let go of the AR-15 platform because of his want to have everything left-handed. (Yes I know they make left hand ar10 but not any that weight 6.7lbs)

So he found bill Wilson repoing this round he created called the 300 Hamr. It’s basicaly the same concept of the 300blk without the same amount of case volume restrictions and sub-par supersonic accuracy issues. They way he did this is dedicate the round to supersonic. So the case no longer has to accommodate a big long 200-220gr bullet. Nor does the twist rate of the barrel have to try and spin that much weight.

What’s really intriguing about it is that it claimed 2540fps with a 125gr Sierra Pro Hunter out of an 18” barrel. Just look at the ballistic chart. That’s a fair amount of energy out to 150yds.



So my dad jumped all over it claiming the increased speed and energy is just what the platform needed to make it a viable round. So he buys the barrel and the loading dies as well as a few Wilson factory bullets to test out. He loads up 5 different charge weights and we head to the range with his 16” Wilson match barrel and Leopoldo 2x12 vx6 hd.

We are shooting this gun mostly suppressed with his Omega and my trash panda. POI did not shift at all between the two suppressors which is always nice.

Turns out he might have turned me into a believer but we will see what it actually does on some bacon.

The attached picture is 5, 5 round groups, of the 125gr pro hunters all shot with different charge weights from as slow as 2380fps average and as high as 2560!!. I was very impressed to see the real world numbers albeit with a max load (STD of 15.4 no pressure signs).



I was most happy with the mostly sub-MOA 5 shot groups. Considering I shot all 25 rounds back to back only giving enough time to store the chrono speeds between each shot I can definitely attribute a little bit of the group sizing to me becoming tired and losing concentration. All shots were alternating so barrel heat was averaged across all groups.

All in all I think this might be a good round. But for now it’s just another wildcat.
This post was edited on 3/24/19 at 9:17 am
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24977 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 4:58 pm to
Pretty interesting but why not consider 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 spc?

He just really want a .30?

Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/23/19 at 4:59 pm to
nice write-up, thanks for posting
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71594 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 5:07 pm to
quote:

6.5 Grendel or 6.8 spc


Just picked up another Aero receiver set to build one of these. Still haven't decided which, so I may just do one of each.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24977 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 5:10 pm to
I have each.

Not too much difference between the two at least out to the distances I’ll be shooting.

The Grendel does have heavier bullet in most factory rounds though, if that’s a concern.
Posted by Timmayy
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 5:12 pm to
Well I don’t think you are getting those velocities in either of those bullets with a 16” barrel. Same 556 300 blk bolt.

Don’t get me wrong the 6.5 and 6.8 have its arse whooped in longer ranges. But for a 100 yard pig gun (don’t kid yourself this is as far as 99.9999% of people shoot animals under their feeder at) I think this round might be a contender.
This post was edited on 3/23/19 at 5:17 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71594 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 5:19 pm to
quote:

The Grendel does have heavier bullet in most factory rounds though, if that’s a concern.


I'll be reloading, so not much of an issue there.
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
38754 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 5:27 pm to
at 100 yards you’d be just as well off with 7.62x39
plenty of AR platforms out there in that caliber

a sub MOA 5 round group on a pig just isn’t that important to me

i shoot pigs with an SKS or mini 30
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24977 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 5:31 pm to
123gr 6.5 Grendel is ~ 2525 out of a 16” barrel. Could likely get faster with reloading.

I’ve reloaded some but haven’t tested velocities yet. But then again my gun is an 18” barrel.

That all being said, I’ve wondered about this round.

Thanks for taking the time to review it.
This post was edited on 3/23/19 at 5:33 pm
Posted by Timmayy
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 5:31 pm to
Nah but we have both gotten to the point of it enjoying guns that don’t atleast shoot around MOA
Posted by Timmayy
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 5:34 pm to
But yeah it’s comparable to a 7.62x39 just a little more accurate and a little more power inside 100.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38754 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 5:39 pm to
I hear you
I did send my mini 30 out to accuracy systems for a bedded barrel and a trigger job, it’s quite a bit more fun to shoot now that it shoots better
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
9759 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 5:51 pm to
Well we have dropped a bunch of pigs and my 7 yr old nephew dropped a 12 pt @ 80yds with a 300 blk out.....

Maybe your dads shot placement wasn’t great?
Posted by Timmayy
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 5:58 pm to
Not saying they won’t drop pigs at all. And definitely could have been a shot placement thing. But we are both fairly competent shooters but anything can happen.


That said it’s not a secret that lost pigs is not uncommon with 300blk
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30761 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 6:19 pm to
Do you have a pictures of the rounds side by side?

I just cant picture this doing anything different than say a 300 blackout with 125gr bullet. That 125 will be supersonic.
Posted by Timmayy
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 6:43 pm to
Sorry I don’t but the case is noticeably longer on the 300 hamr. That’s why it can support more powder charge
Posted by Duane Dibbley
Red Dwarf
Member since Nov 2011
1568 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 7:00 pm to
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
3941 posts
Posted on 3/23/19 at 8:23 pm to
A 7mm Valkyrie has more energy. That would've been my choice of wildcat.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30761 posts
Posted on 3/24/19 at 8:41 am to
Ya, looks like if younwant subsonic performance go 300 blackout.

Doesnt look like 300 hamr will do subsonic at all. Not with a 15 twist barrel. Dont think you could even fit a heavy bullet in a 300 hamr and still fit in the mag.

Pretty cool idea though.
Posted by Timmayy
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
1592 posts
Posted on 3/24/19 at 9:06 am to
Sorry I messed up guys!!

I plugged the sectional density in as the ballistic coefficient in accident. I plugged in .188 instead of the actual g1 of .277.

That’s gunna change things a lot. Got called out to work so I can’t update now but will post new numbers later

This post was edited on 3/24/19 at 9:15 am
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