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re: 2026 Firearm Deals Thread
Posted on 9/18/25 at 8:32 pm to SlidellCajun
Posted on 9/18/25 at 8:32 pm to SlidellCajun
It's fine to shoot 5.56 out of them.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 8:33 pm to Buck_Rogers
Only if the barrel says it
Posted on 9/18/25 at 8:35 pm to SlidellCajun
As long as you believe it. How many have you seen have problems with 5.56?
ETA: You do realize that the 223 marking was a political thing, right?
ETA: You do realize that the 223 marking was a political thing, right?
This post was edited on 9/18/25 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 9/18/25 at 8:37 pm to Buck_Rogers
Mine only shoots .223
It’s a target model though
It’s a target model though
This post was edited on 9/18/25 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 9/18/25 at 8:44 pm to SlidellCajun
Target models do have a tighter chamber, but that's just Ruger covering their arse. Contrary to the internet experts, the 5.56 only has a longer lead for reliability reasons, but gives up accuracy potential. I'd be fine shooting 5.56 out of 223 chamber if that's all I had.
This post was edited on 9/18/25 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:41 pm to Scoob
I don't understand how those rifles don't require NFA registration and stamp. Did something change while I was under my rock?
Posted on 9/18/25 at 11:30 pm to GRTiger
quote:Yes-
I don't understand how those rifles don't require NFA registration and stamp. Did something change while I was under my rock?
Franklin Armory successfully cracked the legal code of the NFA.
Congress wrote the definition of a Short Barrel Rifle as:
Barrel less than 16 inches, rifled, designed to fire a single projectile with each trigger pull.
Obviously, the idea was to separate that from a machine gun, which would require MORE restrictions.
What Franklin Armory did was to develop a multiple projectile cartridge, which happened to share the same dimensions as a .556 round. I've heard it described as anything from rat-shot, to 2-3 sabot rounds in packing (and that seems like it might be the case)... this, which you can buy at their site:
LINK
They then DESIGNED the firearm to fire both these, and .556 rounds.
They then successfully argued in court that the firearm was NOT an SBR, because it did NOT meet the requirement of being DESIGNED to fire a single projectile. The courts agreed and stated that the ATF overstepped their authority, by attempting to restrict a firearm that didn't meet the definition provided by congress.
The Department of Justice settled with Franklin Armory, and issued a letter acknowledging that the Antithesis (and the Reformation, another F.A. firearm) are not SBR's under the NFA, and shall be sold as simply "firearms" under a 4473.
LINK
quote:
Current Status of the Antithesis
As a result of the Agreement, the Antithesis is not a rifle, short-barreled rifle, nor is it an NFA
firearm; therefore, (i) no NFA forms are necessary to sell, transfer, transport, deliver, or otherwise
deal in or possess the Antithesis, and (ii) no ATF Form 5320.20, Application to Transport Interstate
or to Temporarily Export Certain National NFA Firearms, is necessary to transport the Antithesis
across state lines because the firearm is not subject to 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(4) or (b)(4).
Sales and Transfers of the Reformation and Antithesis Firearms
The Reformation and Antithesis are firearms under section 921(a)(3) of the GCA but are not rifles
or shotguns pursuant to the agreement. When transferring these firearms, FFLs should utilize the
“other firearm” box in block 24 on the ATF Form 4473.
Should you have any questions regarding this open letter, please contact the Firearms Industry
Programs Branch at (202) 648-7190 or FIPB@atf.gov.
Sincerely,
JENNIFER
CICOLANI
Digitally signed by
JENNIFER CICOLANI
Date: 2025.08.29
13:09:08 -04'00'
Jennifer L. Cicolani, Assistant Director
Office of Enforcement Programs and Services
Posted on 9/18/25 at 11:49 pm to Scoob
So the design is different to be able to fire those proprietary rounds? Or can my AR fire them and thus could be SBRd without additional paperwork?
This seems kind of big.
This seems kind of big.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 12:11 am to GRTiger
quote:I think it's HUGE. Kind of surprised more folks aren't discussing it yet, but it's just slipped through.
This seems kind of big.
I saw an email from Franklin Armory on it (I bought a binary trigger so I get their emails), and then I found a video from mrgunsngear
quote:I believe that to be the case **clarifying this- NO. Your AR can fire them.
So the design is different to be able to fire those proprietary rounds?
quote:well... was your AR designed to fire them... that's the question. That's the clause that Franklin Armory was able to make work- these are sold from the manufacturer as INTENDED to be able to fire multiple projectile ammo. Last year's PSA wasn't INTENDED to do so.
Or can my AR fire them and thus could be SBRd without additional paperwork?
2 major things of note here:
1) they have received the letter from the DOJ, stating it's good to go.
2) Franklin Armory has stated they will license this design to other companies... so that will fit into the "common use" deal. For example, if PSA buys a license and sells their own Antithesis firearm, there will be tons sold.
It's relatively expensive, but considering you are completely clear of NFA regs, including traveling, letting family use it, future sales etc.
For the record, I made a pretty big purchase last week or I think I would have already tracked one down and ordered. As it stands, maybe Christmas.
This post was edited on 9/19/25 at 12:16 am
Posted on 9/19/25 at 5:01 am to Bama and Beer
I know this is going to be flimsy and cheaply made but I kind of like it for non safe/ gun cabinet long guns. Also for a prep rack before hitting the range?
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 9/19/25 at 5:30 am
Posted on 9/19/25 at 5:44 am to prplhze2000
Posted on 9/19/25 at 9:41 am to Scoob
quote:
2) Franklin Armory has stated they will license this design to other companies... so that will fit into the "common use" deal. For example, if PSA buys a license and sells their own Antithesis firearm, there will be tons sold.
Well that's classy as frick, and possibly the whole ball game.
Good shite, thanks for the rundown.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 12:26 pm to GRTiger
Uh oh
all Antithesis stuff has been pulled down
all Antithesis stuff has been pulled down
Posted on 9/19/25 at 1:16 pm to Scoob
So this how much will this "proprietary" ammo cost?
I'm not gonna get all pumped up about this if it's $1 a round
frick that.
I'm not gonna get all pumped up about this if it's $1 a round
quote:
$19.99 for a 10 pack of ammo
frick that.
This post was edited on 9/19/25 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 9/19/25 at 1:25 pm to Bama and Beer
Im sure it will shoot regular 5.56 also
Posted on 9/19/25 at 2:08 pm to Bama and Beer
quote:Well, it appears like the point is moot, since they pulled the listings.
So this how much will this "proprietary" ammo cost?
I'm not gonna get all pumped up about this if it's $1 a round
quote:quote:
$19.99 for a 10 pack of ammo
frick that.
BUT- the entire deal about the "proprietary ammo" costing a lot is/was completely irrelevant.
You could have chosen to buy some, if you wanted... but the firearm was capable of firing normal 223/556 ammo also. Which everyone would have done with it.
From what little I'm seeing online now, the only model of the Antithesis that was submitted and approved by the courts was the 45LC/.410 chambering, and for whatever reason Franklin Armory took that to mean, as Mrgunsngear posted in his video yesterday, that it was "transitive". Meaning, you could make such a firearm in any chambering, and as long as it was stated "designed for multi-projectile ammunition", it would be a go.
That seems like it might have been a mistake on their part.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 2:10 pm to Scoob
quote:
Well, it appears like the point is moot, since they pulled the listings.
What the hell is going on out there? Its like talking about it made it disappear.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 2:40 pm to GRTiger
quote:I read the letter from the DOJ.
What the hell is going on out there? Its like talking about it made it disappear.
The Antithesis model that was cleared was in 45 Long Colt/410 shotgun chamber.
There was no ruling on other calibers.
Franklin Armory seemed to think they had a gotcha, but apparently not so fast
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