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2025 no till plots updates

Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:14 pm
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11510 posts
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:14 pm
Question for the no-till crowd:

1. How did your fall plots perform this past season?

2. Have you fully cut out herbicide and fertilizer, or still using them in spots?

3. What does your soil look like now—improving, or still compacted?

4. Any noticeable impact on your hunting results from these no-till plots?

5. What are you planning to plant for summer?

I just crimped half of each plot and started drilling in seed—curious how everyone else is approaching it.
Posted by Da Hammer
Folsom
Member since May 2008
5898 posts
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:11 am to
So we are on year 2.5 of full regenerative ag on our place.... For those that are familiar with regenerative Ag it's the tough part as the soil is working on changing from fertilizer and chemical help to doing everything on it's own with microbes and plants working together.

With that in mind...

1. Our plots were generally fairly sucky this year. However it's a system and all part of a bigger plan so we didn't stress over it too much. What made the hunting part of it harder was a down plot year coupled with no mast crop.

2. We have totally cut out all herbicide and haven't used fertilizer until two weeks ago. We pulled Haney soil tests on our fields and made the decision to add 50# of 0-0-20 to our plots to help them. Prior to that no chemicals or fertilizer had been put on the fields for 2.5 years.

3. Soil is starting to turn, we have a nice mat of organic material formed on top of the soil. We still don't have enough fungi in the soil but hopefully that is coming.

4. It was a little slower see #1

5. We planted early this year to try not to get hit by drought. We had our place planted by April 15. We didn't bother crimping as we didn't have enough to crimp we just planted green. We planted a mixture of Drop tine seed about 1/2 summer squelch which adds carbon and mellows the soil we planted about 10 acres of it on our hill top fields that have the most clay soil. We planted Summer reload and summer nourishment in about 8 acres and then we planted a legume mix on another 4 acres. I also farm our leased land which has more fields there we do 1/2 conventional and 1/2 regenerative. All of the regenerative is planted roughly the same. I have about 10 acres of corn with beans, clover, and vetch between the rows for more N. The conventional group on our leased land is still trying to decide how they want me to plant the rest of the fields.

I'll say this summer so far I am actually seeing our fields on our place start to look better. I think we may be starting to turn the corner but time will tell. No matter what we are still very happy with what we have done to get away from chemicals.
Posted by 76Forest
Member since May 2011
129 posts
Posted on 5/13/25 at 5:35 pm to
We too are trying to go totally regenerative. Last fall was the start of year 4 for us.

1 We planted Green Cover’s Fall Release plus an extra few pounds of cereal rye per acre in early October and experienced zero rain for a little more than a month. We got reasonable germination of the rye and oats, but brassicas were scarce. Overall biomass was way down, probably at least partly from lack of rain.

2. We are trying to fully cut herbicide, but not there yet. Between drought, hogs and cows, we have had some bare ground that readily grows weeds.

3. Our soil took a pretty good turn in year 3, color improved, earthworms appeared, crops looked great. I haven’t fertilized in 4 years. There’s still room to improve, but soil is night and day better now. Soaks in rain really well, and I can walk the fields after a heavy rain without getting muddy.

4. Before getting serious about food plots we fed corn and some protein, we still seem to see about the same amount of deer, I’d guess. We do see some good antlers that I believe are an improvement now. We sometimes see more deer at one time than we ever used to. However, we have several more places we can hunt and reliably expect to see deer now. When deer show up they then to stay and eat longer.

5. I wasn’t able to plant spring/summer yet but will plant a warm season soil builder blend when I can.

My problem has been me getting the work done, and then hogs and cows invading is a secondary problem. The no-till approach is the way to go as far as I’m concerned. I can apply it better, but every season the soil improves.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
12206 posts
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:29 pm to
quote:

we are on year 2.5 of full regenerative ag on our place..


After watching DaHammer go all in on regenerative ag, and doing all the research, and running a budget on both, I made the decision to go full conventional with the most herbicide and extra fertilizer at every opportunity.
Posted by Bayou Ken
Member since Sep 2018
132 posts
Posted on 5/13/25 at 7:40 pm to
After I plant next week, I will have planted 2 fall crops and 2 Spring/Summer crops using a no till drill. I plant Stratton Heritage Blend in the Spring and Stratton Legacy Blend in the fall. I have had positive results; however, the hogs really like the Milo in the heritage Blend. My soil is improving and I also see large amounts of earth worms. I still use herbicide due to not having a crumpet but I haven’t used fertilizer in 2 years. It’s definitely a time saver and don’t see myself going back to discing, broadcasting and covering.
Posted by Da Hammer
Folsom
Member since May 2008
5898 posts
Posted on 5/13/25 at 8:21 pm to
You have a problem most don’t…. You have so many damn animals running around you have to give plants every ounce of energy to not get over grazed or over rooted!
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
43556 posts
Posted on 5/13/25 at 8:24 pm to
quote:

No Colors

very encouraging to see large landowners getting away from herbicides and chemical fertilizers, it’s the only way a real improvement can be made (at scale). As a (very) small landowner all I can add is that I’ve not applied herbicides or fertilizers anywhere on the 6 acres in 20 years and I’ve got incredible dirt that drains well, is drought tolerant and chock full of worms and fungi
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2121 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 12:50 pm to
Man I don’t know. I feel like everybody has an overabundance of deer and pigs in SW MS.
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12708 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 1:17 pm to
Just mowing?
Posted by Recovered
Member since May 2016
645 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 4:42 pm to
5 years into the process and we have actually started a more hybrid version.

20 acres are in clover that we do spray with cleth, and fertilize 1x a year. We top seed cereal rye or oats into the clover fields late October.

We have 17 acres of regenerative plots I’m still working. The ground is 100% getting better.
Will be drilling vetch and Alyce next weekend.

I’m going to experiment with our worst field this next year planting chicory, red and white clover.

My neighbor is drilling cowpeas into his clover. Interested to see how it affects his clover stand. Any of you ever drilled into your clover?

Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
10547 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 4:51 pm to
I did some small bow plots in February/March. Clover and chicory. Deer have been hitting it. I do plan to go spray the weeds just because they are new.

I also did some overseeding on my larger plot. I’m going cut it down next weekend.
Posted by Recovered
Member since May 2016
645 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 4:59 pm to
And the best bang for your buck in pines for us….if you got long lanes anywhere and everywhere on your property that you don’t plant. Take a disc and scratch them in October. Let the grass start growing the frost will kill it. Spring green will be all the good good stuff..the longer the years go the more natural browse will be in those lanes.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
12206 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:22 am to
quote:

cgrand

Well we aren't all retired construction magnates recently converted to hippie worm and fungi farmers. Some of us have to do this while working for a living.

I'll tell you another thing that grinds my gears about all this regenerative ag crimping and rolling nonsense: Mixing three of four seed types all together and pretending that this is some sort of advanced farming technique.

It's not. It's called being lazy.

The only thing you should mix in a food plot is wheat and clover. And then, ONLY on the condition that you spray the shite out of the wheat in February with a grass herbicide so it doesn't choke out the clover come March.

All these "dove magnet" mixes like millet, sorghum, sunflower, etc all in one bag... want to know what that looks like? It looks like shite. It looks like a big wad of weeds.

Here's a better idea: plant sunflower and farm them like you mean it. Then move over 10 feet and plant your grain sorghum. It needs totally different herbicides, planting times, spraying timing, insecticides, etc. You can't mix the two.

Then move over another 10 feet and plant your millet. It needs separate management as well.

Then two things will happen: One is that your fields will actually look nice. And the other is that they'll actually have doves. So you'll have that going for you.
Posted by Recovered
Member since May 2016
645 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 10:31 am to
NC are you still planting Alyce and Vetch or all clover? As I have said above I’m beginning to think the same way. Our clover fields are way easier, look better and always have more deer in the fall than what we planted from green cover. We add wheat and kill it in February.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
12206 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:41 am to
Im about half vetch in summer wheat in winter. And the other half year round clover
Posted by Da Hammer
Folsom
Member since May 2008
5898 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:56 am to
NC don't hold back! Tell us how you really feel!
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
12206 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 12:05 pm to
Im picking up the drill from Devinney in 3 hours. Will be rolling at daylight tomorrow. Maximum tillage. Maximum herbicide.
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