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Posted on 8/5/24 at 12:39 pm to MetArl15
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The Olympics are incredibly corrupt. The IOC legit threatened to take away the winter games from SLC if the U.S. doesn’t stop investigating Chinese doping.
Interesting. US has more influence on IOC and WADA than any other countries. US has Big companies, Big donors, Big media, NBC contracts.
These organizations usually sides with US unless US is completely wrong.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 1:16 pm to bluestem75
The subtle thing for me ...Zhanle and the Chinese officials have stated " routinely tested and always pass" which to me isn't the same as " I have never taken any banned substance and I believe that doing do would destroy the essence of the sport "
Posted on 8/5/24 at 1:24 pm to SuperOcean
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The subtle thing for me ...Zhanle and the Chinese officials have stated " routinely tested and always pass" which to me isn't the same as " I have never taken any banned substance and I believe that doing do would destroy the essence of the sport "
Asians are humble in expressing their feeling. There are also big differences in languages and barriers.
Beat them first and let the system play out.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 1:46 pm to pecxs
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Asians are humble in expressing their feeling.
1... Not necessarily to my experience
2..how would that translate to just saying "I didn't cheat" vs " I have not been caught"
Posted on 8/5/24 at 2:06 pm to bluestem75
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Pan almost missed the semifinal by swimming 48.40. He swam a 47.21 in the semis. He shaved 2 seconds (2 body lengths) off of his swim in two rounds.
2 seconds is a good # for my 8 year old to shave when she competes. For these guys it should be impossible.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 3:01 pm to hager9123
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Interesting. US has more influence on IOC and WADA than any other countries. US has Big companies, Big donors, Big media, NBC contracts.
These organizations usually sides with US unless US is completely wrong.
China does have about 1.1 Billion more people than the US though. It is a market that is lusted after for sure.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 3:05 pm to patnuh
Your 8 year old is trying her best in each round.
Olympic swimmer is just swimming fast enough to get into next round.
Pan said he was following the Australian swimmer and found out he was too slow.
If Pan did not speed up half way, he would miss the cut.
That is why his group time was slow.
Olympic swimmer is just swimming fast enough to get into next round.
Pan said he was following the Australian swimmer and found out he was too slow.
If Pan did not speed up half way, he would miss the cut.
That is why his group time was slow.
This post was edited on 8/5/24 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 8/5/24 at 3:49 pm to Salmon
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A, easily
dopers are always a few years ahead of the tests, which is why they keep blood samples and 2 years from now the golds will be stripped
registered 8 years ago and your first post is to defend China...
100% A is more likely.
I would not doubt there are ways used to dope now that will never have an effective test for because they either mimic naturally produced substances or they leave the body very quickly without a trail of metabolites.
One of the dirty little issues of blood doping stems from the days of pulling your own red blood cells out of your blood then replacing then right before competition. Undetectable because red blood cells are you know supposed to be in blood. The only effective counter for this was setting a max hematocrit level. In general it works but there are some people with hematocrit levels naturally over 50% so because their body just processes O2 better than most everyone else they will fail doping control.
Testing gets better but doping control is reactive they don't know what they are looking for until they know what they are looking for. PEDs are steps ahead and the money is on the side of the dopers not doping control so it will stay that way. I would wager there is more doing now than in all of history.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 4:03 pm to Obtuse1
Athletes usually go to the high altitude area to train for a few months before big games.
The high altitude will increase the red blood cell. This is more natural and low risk than inject red bllod cells.
I think Pan is clean.
The simple reason is: olympics is a big political thing in China.
Before the Olympics, with the Chinese doping/WADA/IOC corruption news in all English media, the Chinese political leaders must have asked the swimming team:
Are you guys clean? Will you pass all of the drug tests?
I doubt the swimming team is bold enough to send anyone with any doubts to Paris.
The high altitude will increase the red blood cell. This is more natural and low risk than inject red bllod cells.
I think Pan is clean.
The simple reason is: olympics is a big political thing in China.
Before the Olympics, with the Chinese doping/WADA/IOC corruption news in all English media, the Chinese political leaders must have asked the swimming team:
Are you guys clean? Will you pass all of the drug tests?
I doubt the swimming team is bold enough to send anyone with any doubts to Paris.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 4:28 pm to bluestem75
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Dude’s 19 and set the WR earlier this year. He broke it by .4 seconds. Go watch the other 6 finals and look at the progression of times.
Here's a yearly progression of pan's times...
2020 48.74
2021 48.59
2022 47.65
2023 46.97
2024 46.40
Dude has been a phenom his entire life.
But for fun, here is a guy I know shaving 0.55 off the 100 free world record in a laughably shallow pool. Would've beat 2nd place at the 76 games by 1.2 seconds, had south africa been allowed to compete.
This post was edited on 8/5/24 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 8/5/24 at 6:30 pm to MoarKilometers
Thanks for sharing. Very interesting.
I think the shallow pool was an excuse. Multiple world records are broken in the Paris pool.
Someone said you need to start early to lead the pack. So the reflective wave genarated by you will negatively affect the swimmers in the pack. The waves generated by the pack will push you forward.
Not sure about the speculations.
There are very talented people. I remember there was one swimmer that trained himself in YMCA pool and went on to win Olympic gold.
I think the shallow pool was an excuse. Multiple world records are broken in the Paris pool.
Someone said you need to start early to lead the pack. So the reflective wave genarated by you will negatively affect the swimmers in the pack. The waves generated by the pack will push you forward.
Not sure about the speculations.
There are very talented people. I remember there was one swimmer that trained himself in YMCA pool and went on to win Olympic gold.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 6:40 pm to MoarKilometers
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2020 48.74 2021 48.59 2022 47.65 2023 46.97 2024 46.40
So… the rest of the field lowers the fastest time by an average of .06 per year over 24 years, but Pan lowers his an average .468 over 5 years including .57 in the last year.
This post was edited on 8/5/24 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 8/5/24 at 6:51 pm to hager9123
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Before the Olympics, with the Chinese doping/WADA/IOC corruption news in all English media, the Chinese political leaders must have asked the swimming team: Are you guys clean? Will you pass all of the drug tests?
bullshite. They didn’t ask if they were clean, they asked the scientist if they had stolen the technology from the western world to mask/hide the doping drugs from WADA
Posted on 8/5/24 at 7:03 pm to hager9123
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Before the Olympics, with the Chinese doping/WADA/IOC corruption news in all English media, the Chinese political leaders must have asked the swimming team: Are you guys clean? Will you pass all of the drug tests? I doubt the swimming team is bold enough to send anyone with any doubts to Paris.
the scandal was literally China doing that.
they were always going to piss clean at the games.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 7:21 pm to bluestem75
Did you watch the tape?
Pan's kick is very powerful. His kick has lifted his body. The body is very flat in the water. Looks like he is doing plank across the pool. This makes his pull more extended and efficient also.
His breath is very low. Swimmers are trained to breathe in the bowl wave. But I saw a lot Olympic swimmers are still push them out of the water to breathe.
In the 100ms, you can see other swimmers still rely more on their raw strength. Their body are not straight enough.
Pan has the height. He has very long arm extension. Perfect for swimming.
Pan's kick is very powerful. His kick has lifted his body. The body is very flat in the water. Looks like he is doing plank across the pool. This makes his pull more extended and efficient also.
His breath is very low. Swimmers are trained to breathe in the bowl wave. But I saw a lot Olympic swimmers are still push them out of the water to breathe.
In the 100ms, you can see other swimmers still rely more on their raw strength. Their body are not straight enough.
Pan has the height. He has very long arm extension. Perfect for swimming.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 7:28 pm to hager9123
You are a complete moron if you don’t think he and their team didn’t dope. Tainted meat excuse is a joke
Posted on 8/5/24 at 8:02 pm to hager9123
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hager9123
It’s obvious you’re an alter/bot and English isn’t your primary language. No one is buying your CCP propaganda on here.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 8:06 pm to hager9123
6 posts since 2016 all defending a Chinesse swimmer is wild.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 9:14 pm to bluestem75
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So… the rest of the field lowers the fastest time by an average of .06 per year over 24 years, but Pan lowers his an average .468 over 5 years including .57 in the last year.
Yeah, that's how going from 16 to 20 works. Would you like to see a 16 to 20 time progression for Phelps, Dressel, or an American male swimmer of your choosing
i doubt you want to see how absolutely within normal this falls. 
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