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Posted on 7/14/10 at 10:51 am to nycajun
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am I wrongly suggesting that BP is still motivated by the bottom line?
It amazes me that anyone seriously thinks BP's bottom line is served by allowing the oil to continue to flow.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 10:52 am to diat150
i suspect there is some serious problem like the whole well collapsing
Posted on 7/14/10 at 10:54 am to Northwestern tiger
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i suspect there is some serious problem like the whole well collapsing
Don't think this is the case. Govt scientists are just taking a while to evaluate the data.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:16 am to foshizzle
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It amazes me that anyone seriously thinks BP's bottom line is served by allowing the oil to continue to flow.
Not flow into the gulf. The question is, once the well is capped, can they then recover oil directly from the well into their vessels for shipment to refineries?
My original question was whether stopping activity on the first (closest) relief well in order to test the cap--thus delaying completion of the relief well--was to any extent driven by a desire not to finish the first relief well and cement up the original well, and thus potentially save the original well for future production, or is it a sensible thing to do simply because the cap is a better, or merely interim, fix? Is that too stupid a question?
This post was edited on 7/14/10 at 11:20 am
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:18 am to STEVED00
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scientists are just taking a while to evaluate the data.
This is the correct answer. You don't want to do anything that'll make things worse is all. You measure about ten times, then cut once - and yes that takes some extra time.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:21 am to nycajun
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Is that too stupid a question?
Yes
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:23 am to bodean45
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Yes
Wrong. There are no stupid questions other than the one not asked, which perpetuates ignorance.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:26 am to nycajun
Question: Are they collecting the oil that is currently flowing, and if not, why not? I thought the new cap would increase production capacity to the point that almost no oil would be leaking into the Gulf.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:27 am to nycajun
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My original question was whether stopping activity on the first (closest) relief well in order to test the cap--thus delaying completion of the relief well--was to any extent driven by a desire not to finish the first relief well and cement up the original well, and thus potentially save the original well for future production, or is it a sensible thing to do simply because the cap is a better, or merely interim, fix? Is that too stupid a question?
If successful, the cap will shut in the well. So they will not be making any money at all off of that. It will remain shut in until the relief well operation succeeds and the well is abandoned. At that time they'll remove all of that equipment. Under no circumstances will they "save" this well. It's damaged and is not fit for safe operation. Thus they are very eager to fill it with cement. They've made this abundantly clear on multiple occasions.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:31 am to pcolalsutiger
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Question: Are they collecting the oil that is currently flowing, and if not, why not? I thought the new cap would increase production capacity to the point that almost no oil would be leaking into the Gulf.
They are collecting somewhere around 20,000 bbls/day through the Helix Producer and Q4000 and they are ramping that number up by improving the efficiency of collection to the Helix. They should be able to hit approx. 30,000 bbls/day just with those two assets. But they are also bringing in more assets in case they are not able to shut in the well with the cap. You don't increase production capacity with a cap. You increase it by adding more production capacity.
This post was edited on 7/14/10 at 11:32 am
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:31 am to pcolalsutiger
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I thought the new cap would increase production capacity to the point that almost no oil would be leaking into the Gulf.
That was my impression. That the new cap would allow oil to flow into the recovery vessels, not into the Gulf, as opposed to the relief well, which will plug the original well. Is the cap intended as an alternative to completion of the relief well, in which case there is an economic benefit to BP to stop drilling the relief well while the cap is placed and tested? Or is it just an interim step (which one poster said is true), in which case the question is whether it's worth delaying the relief well to place the cap.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:32 am to MountainTiger
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If successful, the cap will shut in the well. So they will not be making any money at all off of that. It will remain shut in until the relief well operation succeeds and the well is abandoned. At that time they'll remove all of that equipment. Under no circumstances will they "save" this well. It's damaged and is not fit for safe operation. Thus they are very eager to fill it with cement. They've made this abundantly clear on multiple occasions.
Thanks. I appreciate the response. My original question was asked out of a combination of ignorance and distrust of BP.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:36 am to nycajun
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That was my impression. That the new cap would allow oil to flow into the recovery vessels, not into the Gulf, as opposed to the relief well, which will plug the original well. Is the cap intended as an alternative to completion of the relief well, in which case there is an economic benefit to BP to stop drilling the relief well while the cap is placed and tested? Or is it just an interim step (which one poster said is true), in which case the question is whether it's worth delaying the relief well to place the cap.
The cap does two things. One is it contains shear rams to shut in the well. This is Plan A but they must first perform the integrity test to determine if the well is damaged beyond the point that it can be shut in.
Plan B, if that doesn't work, is to bring in additional capacity to collect all of the oil. They need to finish the free standing riser and bring in the Toisa Pisces production vessel and they can also use a different top hat connected to the Enterprise if necessary. Right at this moment, there isn't enough capacity to collect it all, which is why they want to try to shut it in.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:38 am to MountainTiger
Interesting that they would halt drilling to try this new capping method, especially if there was ANY chance of another blowout. Why not just use the top-hat until the relief well is finished?
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:43 am to GM4UA
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Interesting that they would halt drilling to try this new capping method, especially if there was ANY chance of another blowout. Why not just use the top-hat until the relief well is finished?
Because they want to stop the flow of oil into the gulf asap.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 11:49 am to GM4UA
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Interesting that they would halt drilling to try this new capping method, especially if there was ANY chance of another blowout. Why not just use the top-hat until the relief well is finished?
I think having the option of shutting in the well is their contingency plan for a tropical storm or hurricane. At a certain sea state, that fleet above the well will need to move off site.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 2:32 pm to MountainTiger
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The cap does two things. One is it contains shear rams to shut in the well. This is Plan A but they must first perform the integrity test to determine if the well is damaged beyond the point that it can be shut in.
why didn't they do this last month?
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MountainTiger
Your posts have been extremely helpful. thanks
Posted on 7/14/10 at 2:34 pm to Monkey
Thanks. Why didn't they do what? Install the cap? Because it didn't exist yet. They've been building it since early on.
This post was edited on 7/14/10 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 7/14/10 at 2:35 pm to MountainTiger
put this new and better cap in place?
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