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obama comment about moratorium...........
Posted on 6/4/10 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 6/4/10 at 3:14 pm
the oil isn't going anywhere....
per the Terrebone Parish President on WWL.
What a jackass......
Also the leader said BP would pick up the tab for the people who lose their jobs due to this.
per the Terrebone Parish President on WWL.
What a jackass......
Also the leader said BP would pick up the tab for the people who lose their jobs due to this.
This post was edited on 6/4/10 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 6/4/10 at 3:33 pm to TJG210
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the oil isn't going anywhere
He's right, but jobs will disappear
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What a jackass
You are correct
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Also the leader said BP would pick up the tab for the people who lose their jobs due to this.
I bet BP will have something to say about this
Posted on 6/4/10 at 3:35 pm to TigerHam
BP should pick up the tab because of lost jobs
Posted on 6/4/10 at 3:40 pm to Mudminnow
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BP should pick up the tab because of lost jobs
The lost jobs are because of a stupid and short-sighted overreaction by the regulatory authority, not because of the oil spill. It is not BP's responsibility.
This post was edited on 6/4/10 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 6/4/10 at 3:46 pm to udtiger
Overreaction? Should we continue to let everyone drill willy nilly in deep water when apparently BP is blaming their inability to stop the damn oil is because of water depth.
Are you aware of the ecological ramifications this spill is going to cause?
Are you aware of the ecological ramifications this spill is going to cause?
Posted on 6/4/10 at 3:49 pm to udtiger
The moratorium will have very long lasting effects. The oil companies are going to use their drilling ships and rigs. If they can't use them in the U.S. they will move them else where. Once they start drilling new wells outside the U.S. they are not just going to come back because the government says, "OK Moratorium over!". 6 months will turn into several years before drilling activity in the gulf gets back anywhere close to where it is now.
Posted on 6/4/10 at 3:50 pm to Mudminnow
Yes...it's a fricking overreaction!
Do you know that every single deepwater platform has undergone a government directed safety review since DWH went down?
Are you aware that in the history of "deepwater" drilling, this is the first time this has happened?
Are you aware that with the exception of this incident and the Mexican platform incident in 1979, every other major spill in the last 40 years has been either by conscious human action (Iraq - 1991) or tanker accident?
Should we have nuked Iraq to make sure they couldn't do it again?
Should we stop all tankers?
Applying your "logic," these seem to be reasonable responses to these incidents.
Do you know that every single deepwater platform has undergone a government directed safety review since DWH went down?
Are you aware that in the history of "deepwater" drilling, this is the first time this has happened?
Are you aware that with the exception of this incident and the Mexican platform incident in 1979, every other major spill in the last 40 years has been either by conscious human action (Iraq - 1991) or tanker accident?
Should we have nuked Iraq to make sure they couldn't do it again?
Should we stop all tankers?
Applying your "logic," these seem to be reasonable responses to these incidents.
Posted on 6/4/10 at 3:58 pm to udtiger
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Yes...it's a fricking overreaction!
As a Louisianian, I agree, we can't afford to lose the revenue now. As an American, given that this spill will effect states beyond our own, many of which don't drill overshore, I think being safe is the right call.
I think it is good that we raise hell as Louisianians. But it shouldn't be surprising that our desires in this specific area don't win out as the oil threatens the rest of the country as well.
Posted on 6/4/10 at 4:04 pm to Tigercat
From listening to Obama's comments today,
1) Sounds like they are really going to clean up the oil and gas offshore drilling industry before they move forward.
2) It sounds like they are starting to "get it" and are gonna hold BP's feet to the fire on paying for all of the damage they caused.
I especially liked his comments on BP paying out 10.5 Billion in dividends to its shareholders for this QUARTER and 500 million on image advertising but still stonewalling and nickel and diming the people making claims for damage. I hope he holds their feet to the fire.
Posted on 6/4/10 at 4:06 pm to Tigercat
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As an American, given that this spill will effect states beyond our own, many of which don't drill overshore, I think being safe is the right call.
As an American, there is much more immediate and long term consequences for this moratorium than the potential environmental impacts. The spike in the price of oil (and gas) was essentially the straw that broke the camel's back for the economy in 2007. We have a very tepid "recovery" (if you can even call it that) that could be derailed by a similar circumstance, which is much more likely when you shut down exploration (which, as has been noted elsewhere, will be far longer than 6 months as companies move rigs and personnel out of the GOM).
Remember, there is only ONE leaking well in the GOM. Shutting down the GOM is not going to do a damned thing to stop the CURRENT leak. It will not result in a single re-directed asset to the cap/recovery effort.
America stands to lose just as Louisiana does.
This post was edited on 6/4/10 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 6/4/10 at 4:16 pm to ItTakesAThief
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1) Sounds like they are really going to clean up the oil and gas offshore drilling industry before they move forward.
Translation: the moratorium is going to be far longer than 6 months.
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2) It sounds like they are starting to "get it" and are gonna hold BP's feet to the fire on paying for all of the damage they caused.
I certainly hope that the legal scholar that is Obama realizes that exactly what damages BP is responsible for is a question of LAW and will have to be decided by a court of law. BP is not just going to roll over and say "we'll pay for every hangnail that anyone claims was our fault."
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I especially liked his comments on BP paying out 10.5 Billion in dividends to its shareholders for this QUARTER and 500 million on image advertising but still stonewalling and nickel and diming the people making claims for damage. I hope he holds their feet to the fire.
Newsflash Barry...BP has a fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders and, I suspect, pursuant to the Articles of Incorporation and operative by-laws, was REQUIRED to pay that dividend.
But, hey...you feel free to keep grandstanding and talking out of your fricking arse.
Posted on 6/4/10 at 4:26 pm to Mudminnow
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BP should pick up the tab because of lost jobs
I disagree that BP are the one's reponsible for paying all of the worker this effects and I have a brother that is on a rig right now which had to halt operations becuase of this. I could only talk to him through the internet and yesterday he was worried what he is going to do and if he needs to start looking for different work. I would not be suprised if Obama asks BP to pay workers from these rigs being shut down but it is in no way their responsibility to do so becuase it was a decision exucuted by Obama. The moratorium is a political move made to satisfy liberal supporters not living around the gulf coast and it will be a costly move IMO that will backfire and he almost definately has to stand ground on his dicision becuase taking it back that will hurt him as well.
This post was edited on 6/4/10 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 6/4/10 at 5:22 pm to Markie812
This may piss some of you off, but I'll post it anyway.
The oil industry apologists on this board either have their head burried in the sand or are responding out of fear and worry about financial impacts. Either way, america and the administration will not allow drilling to move forward untill they are assured it can and WILL be done safely. From what I see that necessitates at the very least a redesign and modification of all existing BOP's. Any shear device that will not shear 100% of it's target is not worth a damn. Knowingly deploying this by the industry is inexcusable. Knowigly allowing this by the MMS is unfathomable..............
Sometimes I wonder if the apologists realize this well is still flowing. Oil is washing onshore from Vermillion Parish to Pensacola Bay AND THE WELL IS STILL frickING FLOWING!!! If I was President my only comment about the moratorium would be to contact me once this well is shut in and when you have reliable BOP's then I would start talking about lifting the moratorium.
This well may flow (I mean spill) for 6 months...or longer.
Also, I am sick and tired of hearring from BP about how hard it is to do things in 5,000' WD. If we absolutely cannot handle a blowout becasue of the water depth, then it raises serious questions about the wisdom of drilling there.
You boys can thank BP, not President Obama. The curent administration was allowing drilling in Alaska and along the eastern seaboard. MMS was stretching the eastern boundary of the "Central GOM" planning area for lease sales. BP could not have fricked this up at a worse time.
The oil industry apologists on this board either have their head burried in the sand or are responding out of fear and worry about financial impacts. Either way, america and the administration will not allow drilling to move forward untill they are assured it can and WILL be done safely. From what I see that necessitates at the very least a redesign and modification of all existing BOP's. Any shear device that will not shear 100% of it's target is not worth a damn. Knowingly deploying this by the industry is inexcusable. Knowigly allowing this by the MMS is unfathomable..............
Sometimes I wonder if the apologists realize this well is still flowing. Oil is washing onshore from Vermillion Parish to Pensacola Bay AND THE WELL IS STILL frickING FLOWING!!! If I was President my only comment about the moratorium would be to contact me once this well is shut in and when you have reliable BOP's then I would start talking about lifting the moratorium.
This well may flow (I mean spill) for 6 months...or longer.
Also, I am sick and tired of hearring from BP about how hard it is to do things in 5,000' WD. If we absolutely cannot handle a blowout becasue of the water depth, then it raises serious questions about the wisdom of drilling there.
You boys can thank BP, not President Obama. The curent administration was allowing drilling in Alaska and along the eastern seaboard. MMS was stretching the eastern boundary of the "Central GOM" planning area for lease sales. BP could not have fricked this up at a worse time.
Posted on 6/4/10 at 5:31 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Also, I am sick and tired of hearring from BP about how hard it is to do things in 5,000' WD. If we absolutely cannot handle a blowout becasue of the water depth, then it raises serious questions about the wisdom of drilling there.
Bingo! Looks like somebody gets it! and BP said they could hand a spill 60x this size
Posted on 6/4/10 at 5:34 pm to Mudminnow
I realize we MUST drill there......I think we need to develop better intervention technology.
We also cannot wait for that before we allow drilling to continue, but we need to invest in it.
This is exposing our dirty little secrets.
We also cannot wait for that before we allow drilling to continue, but we need to invest in it.
This is exposing our dirty little secrets.
Posted on 6/4/10 at 5:51 pm to udtiger
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America stands to lose just as Louisiana does.
That is EXACTLY what this idiot has planned. His comment "oil not going anywhere" is so telling. He knows this and once they gain control of O&G industries, they'll resume exploration and production.
Posted on 6/4/10 at 5:55 pm to blueTunaTiger
bluetuna, if your namesake applies. Tuna may be in for a world of hurt for decades as a result of this spill.
Posted on 6/4/10 at 5:55 pm to blueTunaTiger
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That is EXACTLY what this idiot has planned. His comment "oil not going anywhere" is so telling. He knows this and once they gain control of O&G industries, they'll resume exploration and production
Posted on 6/4/10 at 7:18 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
I am not an apologist. I am a realist.
If you are planning to wait until it is guaranteed that this will not happen, you may as well start fricking walking everywhere.
What has happened (and is happening) pisses me off too, but I am not letting my emotions force me into dumbassed decisions.
If you are planning to wait until it is guaranteed that this will not happen, you may as well start fricking walking everywhere.
What has happened (and is happening) pisses me off too, but I am not letting my emotions force me into dumbassed decisions.
Posted on 6/4/10 at 8:26 pm to udtiger
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I am not letting my emotions force me into dumbassed decisions
and I hope others do not either. Redesigning BOP's should be failry doable in short order. That and capping this well would go a long way to help with peoples confidence. The President can enact a ban he can lift it with the stroke of a pen.
Conspiracy theories are not helpful.
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