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re: NOLA Judge removes drilling ban
Posted on 6/22/10 at 7:07 pm to bayoudude
Posted on 6/22/10 at 7:07 pm to bayoudude
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You can't look past tomorrow. GM actually had a full electric car (EV-1) in the mid-2000's but they discontinued it because of pressure from big oil.
Even if they had launched it anyway i suspect it would have been a failure. Americans in general expect performance and payload from their automobiles
You know nothing about the EV1. People begged to keep their cars. They loved the performance, the economy and the low maintenance. The cars were killed for political reasons, not economic.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 7:13 pm to Commandeaux
Maybe, I say maybe, we can build an electric car on batteries with performance that will satisfy most Americans. Building and powering the batteries for 100 million Americans is another issue.
But it is not likely we can build an alternative fuel engine to power an 18 wheeler, jet, or the train.
And what do you think will happen to our economy is gasoline goes to $6 per gallon. What do you think will happen you retirement account or our government's tax collections?
It's a bad scenario any way you look at it.
But it is not likely we can build an alternative fuel engine to power an 18 wheeler, jet, or the train.
And what do you think will happen to our economy is gasoline goes to $6 per gallon. What do you think will happen you retirement account or our government's tax collections?
It's a bad scenario any way you look at it.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 7:29 pm to bayoudude
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There is no doubt that we can make electric cars but they will be more a niche market than the standard. Most of us travel too far in a days time to make a total electric vehicle usable as a daily commuter
You are completely wrong.
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80 percent of Americans commute less than 40 miles to and from work every day
From msn.com
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Also I would like to see an electric vehicle tow my 11k lb 5th wheel over any appreciable distance.
You have to use the right tool for the job. I tow with my van, go to work in my car and tour the neighborhood on my bike.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 7:52 pm to dolamite
Commandeaux is flaming the board. Please ignore.
Judge Feldman apparently divested himself of whatever interest he ahd in Transocean back in 2008. He's only required to recuse himself if he owns one share of stock in any of the companies that appeared before him. I have no doubt he would have done that if he did own any stock -- he's been there long enough to know that.
Specifically Judge Feldman concluded that the action of the MMS in imposing the moratorium on deep water drilling as being "arbitrary, capricious, and an abuse of discretion." Judge Feldman reviewed the report of the Secretary of Interior ordered by the administration. The judge noted that a statement in the report that the moratorium was recommended by experts was "factually incorrect" and he states later that the report is "incident-specific and driven: Deepwater Horizon and BP only. None others. While the Report notes the increases in deepwater drilling over the past ten years and the increased safety risk associated with deepwater drilling, the parameters of "deepwater" remain confused. And drilling elsewhere simply seems driven by political or social agendas on all sides." After discussing specific arguments made pertaining to specific tests or studies, the judge states "If some drilling equipment parts are flawed, it is rational to say all are? Are all airplanes a danger because one was? All oil tankers like Exxon Valdez? All trains? All mines? That sort of thinking seems heavy-handed, and rather overbearing."
We'll see what the 5th Circuit does with it.
Judge Feldman apparently divested himself of whatever interest he ahd in Transocean back in 2008. He's only required to recuse himself if he owns one share of stock in any of the companies that appeared before him. I have no doubt he would have done that if he did own any stock -- he's been there long enough to know that.
Specifically Judge Feldman concluded that the action of the MMS in imposing the moratorium on deep water drilling as being "arbitrary, capricious, and an abuse of discretion." Judge Feldman reviewed the report of the Secretary of Interior ordered by the administration. The judge noted that a statement in the report that the moratorium was recommended by experts was "factually incorrect" and he states later that the report is "incident-specific and driven: Deepwater Horizon and BP only. None others. While the Report notes the increases in deepwater drilling over the past ten years and the increased safety risk associated with deepwater drilling, the parameters of "deepwater" remain confused. And drilling elsewhere simply seems driven by political or social agendas on all sides." After discussing specific arguments made pertaining to specific tests or studies, the judge states "If some drilling equipment parts are flawed, it is rational to say all are? Are all airplanes a danger because one was? All oil tankers like Exxon Valdez? All trains? All mines? That sort of thinking seems heavy-handed, and rather overbearing."
We'll see what the 5th Circuit does with it.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 7:57 pm to LSU80 USF08
Chevy Volt can't come soon enough.
But that said:
The EV1 was loved by the people that had them but they might have been a little less enthusiastci if the cost hadn't of been subsidized by the remainder of the auto industry.
Technology has advance since then. It will continue to advance. Alt energy NEEDS it to advance. The only way for it to advance fast is for people to invest in it. The only way for people to invest in it is for there to be rich people and rich corporations. Yeah you know those things that the far left hate.
But that said:
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You know nothing about the EV1. People begged to keep their cars. They loved the performance, the economy and the low maintenance. The cars were killed for political reasons, not economic.
The EV1 was loved by the people that had them but they might have been a little less enthusiastci if the cost hadn't of been subsidized by the remainder of the auto industry.
Technology has advance since then. It will continue to advance. Alt energy NEEDS it to advance. The only way for it to advance fast is for people to invest in it. The only way for people to invest in it is for there to be rich people and rich corporations. Yeah you know those things that the far left hate.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 8:27 pm to omegaman66
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I'm getting the impression from this thread that having an oil job is a right. An oil job is no different from any other job. If you lose it, either sit on your arse or go get another job. Don't give me this shite about these oil jobs are crucial to Louisiana's economy. Tell that shite to Michigan when the auto industry left for Mexico.
Where do you suggest these oil field workers go find another job? I think it is a huge misconception that the moritorium only effects south La. Being from central La, I have many family members that have made their livings in the gulf. There is very little industry to fall back on here, especially for men that have never worked anywhere else but in the gulf. I can't help but wonder if Mr Obama would have been so quick with his moritorium had the oil field been unionized?
Posted on 6/22/10 at 8:47 pm to INFIDEL
To the people talking about switching to electric cars...where do you suppose all the extra energy we'll need to power them is going to come from (this is given that there was a mass switch to them and not just some random people here and there)?
Posted on 6/22/10 at 9:15 pm to snoggerT
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To the people talking about switching to electric cars...where do you suppose all the extra energy we'll need to power them is going to come from (
Or what they will be made from.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 10:02 pm to INFIDEL
expanding on what infidel said, the autoworkers and other industries that have seen better days simply got relocated to an area that was cheaper to produce. you simply cannot do that since the oil industry in the continental US is handcuffed to 3 states in the western gulf.
you make it seem as if they shut us down, they will simply move the industry to the carolinas or some other coastal region.
you make it seem as if they shut us down, they will simply move the industry to the carolinas or some other coastal region.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 10:51 pm to halleburton
Any lawyers here with thoughts on how long this next appeal by "the administration" will take?
And for those discussing electric vehicles and the like, think that John Deere will be coming out with anything like that anytime soon in the area of let's say tractors and combines???? (/saracasm)
eta: sorry for the snippiness ... it's late and all of this shite is REALLY starting to piss me off.
And for those discussing electric vehicles and the like, think that John Deere will be coming out with anything like that anytime soon in the area of let's say tractors and combines???? (/saracasm)
eta: sorry for the snippiness ... it's late and all of this shite is REALLY starting to piss me off.
This post was edited on 6/22/10 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 6/22/10 at 11:40 pm to tiger91
If these jackasses were really serious about clean energy they would move things more toward natural gas. It's nothing more than a shell game at this point to reward their buddies and keep up appearances to the eco nuts.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:30 am to TJG210
Appeal may not be needed. They are going to issue a new more detailed executive order.
I guess it will go in effect until it can be overturned. So basically if they just keep issuing new executive orders the drilling stays shut down even if the judges will rule against it.
Is this the way it will work of does a judge have to rule that the new order holds water this time before it goes into effect.
I guess it will go in effect until it can be overturned. So basically if they just keep issuing new executive orders the drilling stays shut down even if the judges will rule against it.
Is this the way it will work of does a judge have to rule that the new order holds water this time before it goes into effect.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 6:06 am to OWLFAN86
Is this the first shot in LA leaving the Union? We are always ranked last in things, why not be ranked first in saying we have enough of this government BS and the people running the government and get the hell out before it is too late!!
Posted on 6/23/10 at 7:20 am to K2LAW
How am I flaming this board?...I'll say one more thing about this and then I'm done.
The notion that South Louisiana is gonna be hurt from this moratorium is complete bullshite. This moratorium will only affect 30 out of more than 3000 platforms in the gulf. So the workers on these 30 deepwater platforms have a choice: (1) the can be transfered to one of the more than 3000 other platforms still operating in the gulf, (2) collect their salary from the $100 million fund BP set up for laid off oil workers, (3) get work doing cleanup, (4) move or find oil work in another part of the country or overseas, or (5) find another job.
Now that's a lot of options for someone without a job. More than I had when I was laid off. This moratorium will only be six months while we figure out first of all, how to stop a leak. We want to start drilling again in deep waters and we haven't even stopped the leak from the last disaster. How arse-backwards is this. So those are a lot of options for six months while we figure things out.
The notion that South Louisiana is gonna be hurt from this moratorium is complete bullshite. This moratorium will only affect 30 out of more than 3000 platforms in the gulf. So the workers on these 30 deepwater platforms have a choice: (1) the can be transfered to one of the more than 3000 other platforms still operating in the gulf, (2) collect their salary from the $100 million fund BP set up for laid off oil workers, (3) get work doing cleanup, (4) move or find oil work in another part of the country or overseas, or (5) find another job.
Now that's a lot of options for someone without a job. More than I had when I was laid off. This moratorium will only be six months while we figure out first of all, how to stop a leak. We want to start drilling again in deep waters and we haven't even stopped the leak from the last disaster. How arse-backwards is this. So those are a lot of options for six months while we figure things out.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 7:24 am to Commandeaux
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The notion that South Louisiana is gonna be hurt from this moratorium is complete bullshite. This moratorium will only affect 30 out of more than 3000 platforms in the gulf. So the workers on these 30 deepwater platforms have a choice:
You dont know what the frick you are talking about so stop posting on this board.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 7:30 am to Commandeaux


Posted on 6/23/10 at 8:08 am to Commandeaux
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The notion that South Louisiana is gonna be hurt from this moratorium is complete bullshite. This moratorium will only affect 30 out of more than 3000 platforms in the gulf. So the workers on these 30 deepwater platforms have a choice: (1) the can be transfered to one of the more than 3000 other platforms still operating in the gulf, (2) collect their salary from the $100 million fund BP set up for laid off oil workers, (3) get work doing cleanup, (4) move or find oil work in another part of the country or overseas, or (5) find another job.
Now that's a lot of options for someone without a job. More than I had when I was laid off. This moratorium will only be six months while we figure out first of all, how to stop a leak. We want to start drilling again in deep waters and we haven't even stopped the leak from the last disaster. How arse-backwards is this. So those are a lot of options for six months while we figure things out.
You're a fricking idiot
Posted on 6/23/10 at 8:14 am to Commandeaux
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More than I had when I was laid off.
And what kind of job was that?
Posted on 6/23/10 at 8:58 am to Homesick Tiger
Commando, son, just move along.......you are so off base it is scary.
You're quickly going from fricking stupid to straight-up delusional.
You're quickly going from fricking stupid to straight-up delusional.
Posted on 6/23/10 at 9:24 am to CharlesLSU
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CharlesLSU
So these options aren't available?
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