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re: NOLA Judge removes drilling ban
Posted on 6/22/10 at 2:55 pm to igoringa
Posted on 6/22/10 at 2:55 pm to igoringa
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If you cannot see the difference between a private entity effectively being shut down by an arbitrary decision of government and thus having to lay people off vs your examples, then you are truly as stupid as you seem.
The point went completely over your head. I'll try again. What do they all have in common? They are all unemployed. It doesn't matter how they became unemployed. Is the government shutting down your industry worse than Katrina destroying your business. Katrina destroying you business is much worse. But I've seen people who lost their jobs due to Katrina get of their arse and find another one.
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Posted on 6/22/10 at 2:57 pm to igoringa
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If you cannot see the difference between a private entity effectively being shut down by an arbitrary decision of government and thus having to lay people off vs your examples, then you are truly as stupid as you seem.
:cheers:Posted on 6/22/10 at 3:07 pm to Commandeaux
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So you're saying we can do it, but we just don't want to.
There is no doubt that we can make electric cars but they will be more a niche market than the standard. Most of us travel too far in a days time to make a total electric vehicle usable as a daily commuter. Also I would like to see an electric vehicle tow my 11k lb 5th wheel over any appreciable distance.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 3:09 pm to Commandeaux
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But I've seen people who lost their jobs due to Katrina get of their arse and find another one.
Where does the fact that LA's main and largest industry is the oil industry, not register in your skull?? I bet most of those Katrina victims went to work for the oil industry if they hadn't been already. It's not that they are lazy dumbass, it's that almost every business in South LA revolves areound the oil industry. There is no jobs if the oil industry is gone.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 3:12 pm to CajunZ81
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If we have cars that run on alternative fuel, the oil used to make components will come from domestic oil that doesn't come from offshore drilling.
Ya fricking kidding yourself buddy. In more ways than one. Oh and electric cars? Gee whats the #1 source of electricity? Is it hippy fairy dust? or maybe its wind? No its fossil fuels you freaking tard.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 3:16 pm to Commandeaux
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It doesn't matter how they became unemployed. Is the government shutting down your industry worse than Katrina destroying your business. Katrina destroying you business is much worse. But I've seen people who lost their jobs due to Katrina get of their arse and find another one.
So the government can and should arbitrarily shut down whatever the fack they want? That is completely cool with you? You dont see the difference between circumstance and government decree?
Posted on 6/22/10 at 3:17 pm to Commandeaux
Solar Panels and Wind Turbines will never assist the Tractor Trailers and Trains that transport Food/Produce and Consumer Products across our country to the Stores and Grocery Stores. Also, Solar Panels, Wind Turbines, and electricity will not power the Ocean Container ships needed for us to sell our countries manufactured products and food shipped around the world.
You are living in a fantasy world. Jimmy carter started talking about alternative energy back when he was president along with every president after him, you ever wondered it hasn't happened yet??
You are living in a fantasy world. Jimmy carter started talking about alternative energy back when he was president along with every president after him, you ever wondered it hasn't happened yet??
Posted on 6/22/10 at 3:18 pm to Commandeaux
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Commandeaux
It almost seems like you are flaming the board. I don't see how it is possible for anyone to be as stupid as you appear to be. I will not address every point you have made because they were all basically already refuted by the people on this board with a brain.
But, comparing someone losing their job because of Katrina (natural disaster) and someone losing their job because of a government imposed moratorium (not natural, never has to happen) is asinine to say the least.
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You dont see the difference between circumstance and government decree?
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Posted on 6/22/10 at 3:22 pm to CajunZ81
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Where does the fact that LA's main and largest industry is the oil industry, not register in your skull?? I bet most of those Katrina victims went to work for the oil industry if they hadn't been already. It's not that they are lazy dumbass, it's that almost every business in South LA revolves areound the oil industry. There is no jobs if the oil industry is gone.
Wasn't the auto industry Michigan's largest industry. Wasn't Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana the leading producers of steel in the world. Once upon a time. I hate to see it happen to Louisiana, but we are no different. Our jobs are no more important. That's the only point I'm trying to make.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 3:23 pm to Commandeaux
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Can someone explain to me why the unemployed oil worker in South Louisiana is more important than an unemployed architect in Tulsa, or an uneployed nurse in Chicago, or a recently laid off teacher in Seattle. The answer is they are not. And these people didn't frick up their industry to the level of the gulf oil spill. Everyone I just mentioned is gonna have to go find another job. It's life. It happens. It happened to me. Having a job isn't a right. You can get laid off or fired at any time for almost anything.
hey, fricking Einstein, when 50+% of Tulsa's work force is comprised of architects, let me know.
it isn't losing a job, it is losing an entire REGIONAL ECONOMY.
You really are a pompous idiot, aren't you?
Posted on 6/22/10 at 3:26 pm to Commandeaux
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Wasn't the auto industry Michigan's largest industry. Wasn't Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana the leading producers of steel in the world. Once upon a time.
When did the government put a moratorium on car and steel production. When did their government do that?
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I hate to see it happen to Louisiana, but we are no different.
Show me the auto and steel moratorium and I will agree.
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Our jobs are no more important. That's the only point I'm trying to make.
No one is saying they are more important. You are comparing a lack of competitiveness with a fuycking government decree to cease. If my business does not make it for external factors, then fine such is life. But if my government, to protect me, shuts me down because the store around the block facked up and therefore arbitrarily decided I need to be shut in... then yeah completely different story.
Under your logic, the whitehouse can hold a shutdown lottery to randomly shut down anything and those workers should just grin and bear it because hurricanes happen sometimes.
No one is as stupid as you appear to be; clearly you are just flaming.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 3:27 pm to Commandeaux
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Wasn't the auto industry Michigan's largest industry. Wasn't Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana the leading producers of steel in the world. Once upon a time. I hate to see it happen to Louisiana, but we are no different. Our jobs are no more important. That's the only point I'm trying to make.
so, by virtue of them struggling/suffering, South LA should too???? WTF kind of logic is that?
Their economy failed due largely to financial sector problems.....not one man issuing a blanket strangle hold on an industry.
Your flawed ideology only exacerbates your stupidity.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 4:13 pm to igoringa
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Under your logic, the whitehouse can hold a shutdown lottery to randomly shut down anything and those workers should just grin and bear it because hurricanes happen sometimes. No one is as stupid as you appear to be; clearly you are just flaming.
MONEY
Posted on 6/22/10 at 4:22 pm to CajunZ81
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Solar Panels and Wind Turbines will never assist the Tractor Trailers and Trains that transport Food/Produce and Consumer Products across our country to the Stores and Grocery Stores. Also, Solar Panels, Wind Turbines, and electricity will not power the Ocean Container ships needed for us to sell our countries manufactured products and food shipped around the world.
You are living in a fantasy world. Jimmy carter started talking about alternative energy back when he was president along with every president after him, you ever wondered it hasn't happened yet??
Cajunz81, you are trying to hold an informative, factual, conversation with a Hack spewing the regurgitated talking points of a Liberal, Socialist agenda. In their fantasy world, reality is non-existent. You are gonna drive yourself crazy. And BTW, it's Bush's fault!!
Posted on 6/22/10 at 4:27 pm to Commandeaux
"Our jobs are no more important. That's the only point I'm trying to make."
If that is the only point you are trying to make, then I might even agree with it. But you picked a bad place to make it. This thread is about Judge Feldman's decision, which is not based on any job being more important than any other. based on my quick reading, the question is whether there was a rational basis for the administrative action (the moratorium). the judge found that there was not and did so fairly persuasively if you ask me.
If that is the only point you are trying to make, then I might even agree with it. But you picked a bad place to make it. This thread is about Judge Feldman's decision, which is not based on any job being more important than any other. based on my quick reading, the question is whether there was a rational basis for the administrative action (the moratorium). the judge found that there was not and did so fairly persuasively if you ask me.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 4:58 pm to OWLFAN86
Wait, does this actually mean that someone in a position of authority actually has their head on straight?!!! NO WAY...
frick YOU obama.
ETA: Just realized I jumped right into the middle of a heated debated... Gotta throw in my 2 cents.. Commandeaux, dude, really? Your ignroance and shallow mindedness amazes me. I won't get into it with you, mainly because of your incompetence, but I suggest you just drop this sore subject. It's for the best......
frick YOU obama.
ETA: Just realized I jumped right into the middle of a heated debated... Gotta throw in my 2 cents.. Commandeaux, dude, really? Your ignroance and shallow mindedness amazes me. I won't get into it with you, mainly because of your incompetence, but I suggest you just drop this sore subject. It's for the best......
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Posted on 6/22/10 at 5:50 pm to Sir Saint
EV-1 was discontinued because GM was losing their arse on that hunk of shite.
No the oil workers jobs may not be MORE important than car builders but did they shut GM, FORD, Honday etc down because Toyota build a car that had a defect that cause them to accelerate uncontrollably? NO!!!
Com. you say that no body cared when they lost their jobs. That is a lie. Not a misrepresentation, not a difference of opinion... a lie!!!
No the oil workers jobs may not be MORE important than car builders but did they shut GM, FORD, Honday etc down because Toyota build a car that had a defect that cause them to accelerate uncontrollably? NO!!!
Com. you say that no body cared when they lost their jobs. That is a lie. Not a misrepresentation, not a difference of opinion... a lie!!!
Posted on 6/22/10 at 5:50 pm to Commandeaux
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Of course not, 9/11 wasn't caused by the airline industry. It was caused by terrorists.
and the Deepwater Horizon Explosion wasn't caused by the oil industry, it was caused by human error
Maybe they should have put a moratorium on building skyscrapers until they can build one that can withstand a 767 full of fuel to fly into them.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 5:58 pm to Commandeaux
I would rather a thousand pelicans die than thousands of people getting laid off for no good reason.
Posted on 6/22/10 at 6:15 pm to Oizers
Good news, but with the appeal November cannot come soon enough.
All the Anti oil and gas tards need to walk to work and go without electricity to get the full effect of their position. Louisiana due to the heavy restrictions in drilling in other areas of the us has become the major player in domestic oil production.
All the Anti oil and gas tards need to walk to work and go without electricity to get the full effect of their position. Louisiana due to the heavy restrictions in drilling in other areas of the us has become the major player in domestic oil production.
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