re: Zelensky willing to end war and concede territory in exchange for NATO membership

frick him. My goodwill towards Ukraine has been completely evaporated thanks to this begging frick and people in my government giving him a ton of our money.

No NATO. You want protection - go beg your old daddy Russia for it, which is what you should have been doing in the first place.

Let Ukraine join NATO as long as we pull out of it.

Maybe Victoria Nuland shouldn't have run a coup in 2014 and we shouldn't have had assholes like Lindsey, McCain, and Biden meddling over there constantly. Placing 12 CIA bases on the border might have made Russia a little jittery, too.

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This war was going to happen anyway. Their goal is to recapture everything that broke off after the end of the cold war, like everyone predicted was going to happen, eventually

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That is as much of a conspiracy theory as anything else.

Stop supporting the dumping of our money in a fricking useless country.

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That is as much of a conspiracy theory as anything else.

Stop supporting the dumping of our money in a fricking useless country.

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The political section of this forum is so filled with Russian trolls LINK it is useless to post anything there without the thread being hijacked if anybody posts an opposing view about Ukraine with facts and links. Now they have moved to the O-T Lounge.

This dude can die in a fire

But only after he gives me back the money he owes me

Most of the inhabitants in the would be exchanged territory were pro-Russian slavs who were sick of the corrupt governments in Kiev pissing on them. The pro-Western Ukranians have left that area and they aren't coming back.

It's like fighting a war over Brownsville, Texas and the border counties. I know national pride and all but at some point you have to ask what you're fighting for...apart from milking the Biden Administration out of $100 billion in graft.

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I’m all for supporting Ukraine against Russia and its unprovoked war of aggression but joining NATO? No. Hell they can’t. Membership bars any applicant in active conflict which Ukraine obviously is.

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This link explains the real reason for the war that the media doesn't tell you. LINK

Wars are about money and resources, or geopolitics. The brain of Vladimir Putin is Aleksandr Dugin. He wrote a book called 'The Foundations of Geopolitics', which explains Putin's insane agendas

The end goal is for Russia to continue taking over country after country until they reach warm (unfrozen) water on the Atlantic (Scandinavia). This will also mean an attack on NATO soil. Russia is largely land locked and only has access to the Pacific. According to Dugan, Atlantic access will make it easier for them to compete with America.The only way Russia can compete and defeat the US, is through subversion.

Dugin's belief system is called "neo Eurasianism," which is extreme right, even though he claims to oppose neo nazism in Ukraine. Like it or not, this war isn't going to stop at Ukraine, despite what these trolls are posting here. It is expansionist just like communism was. It just took a brief rest a few decades ago. It was predicted to start expanding again.

A story from the media isn't proof of anything. The mainstream mass media is the most biased bunch of crap that exists, regardless of left wing or right wing.

This is the same media that hasn't even told America the reasons for Russia's invasion.