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re: Youth travel ball has to be the dumbest waste of time and money.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:41 pm to lsu777
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:41 pm to lsu777
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lsu777
Bro, step away from the travel ball koolaid. The numbers say your child has a very small chance of playing beyond high school, an even smaller chance of getting a scholly, and will never make a penny playing baseball.
I'm all for hard work and giving your child every opportunity to succeed, but we are only a couple years (everyone playing travel ball started blowing up about 6-7 years ago)from tons of folks getting their dreams crushed when their kid either hates baseball or isn't good enough to move on.
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Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:46 pm to lsu777
quote:My kid has always been a good hitter and a utility player. He improved defensively and gave way offensively. He is finally putting it together and hitting the ball well again, playing good defense, hell, even pitched very effectively recently.
this is what i see more often. If a kid is the 10th or 11th best player or even 8th or 9th on a majors team....instead of deciding to outwork all the other players, taking more lessons, doing more pushups and chin ups...the kid leaves to go be one of the top players on another much weaker team. The kid never really progresses and by high school struggles to even make the team.
I judge it by two things 1) does he want to play on same team year after year? I am not sold that it isnt a good idea to switch it up to change the dynamics for them, most youth are not designed to have the same structure for that long. 2) Is he improving, and is his effort being noticed.
But again, we were a juggernaut type team at times and at times pretty average against the best around. This year seems to be a diff type year. The cream of the crop from the South have distanced themselves from the really good regional teams. It is the pitching that is the main difference, when you have four or five guys sitting over there that have as good or better stuff than your ace, you just have a hard hard time. 60/90 evens it out a bit, but when you put those big arms on 55 feet...jesus it is coming
80 at that distance is tough on a 7th grader....anyone saying quality of play hasnt improved is just not paying attention. My kid is twice the player I was and he is a utility player on a team I was the best player in the area when I was his age.Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:49 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:This is said by so many. I have sat thru hundreds of travel baseball games against the best players around. I have never heard people speaking of anything of the sort.
The numbers say your child has a very small chance of playing beyond high school, an even smaller chance of getting a scholly, and will never make a penny playing baseball.
Mainly we are just drinking frozen drinks out of YETIS wondering if our kid got his paper done that is due on Monday. Yesterday he was behind the dugout on his chromebook having to check grammar and spelling on some paper.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:51 pm to tigerfoot
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Mainly we are just drinking frozen drinks out of YETIS wondering if our kid got his paper done that is due on Monday. Yesterday he was behind the dugout on his chromebook having to check grammar and spelling on some paper.
So pretty much you have to pay 20x to play Rec ball?
That's the problem.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:54 pm to tigerfoot
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This is said by so many. I have sat thru hundreds of travel baseball games against the best players around. I have never heard people speaking of anything of the sort.
Mainly we are just drinking frozen drinks out of YETIS wondering if our kid got his paper done that is due on Monday. Yesterday he was behind the dugout on his chromebook having to check grammar and spelling on some paper.
What tournaments are you going to? Because I witnessed a mom yelling at an umpire over a call in 8u coach pitch in Hammond last month. That was along with the coaches screaming at 7 year old players. You aren't being genuine if you don't acknowledge that a large majority are either there to show off themselves or believes their child is the next Bryce Harper.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:55 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:You make no sense, it is like you just wanted to say that
So pretty much you have to pay 20x to play Rec ball?
That's the problem.
But you do you man. Have you seen a 12 or 13u Majors tournament? Those teams beat the ever living hell out of that stuff that plays in the LLWS. Yes, some play both, but not all. 
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:58 pm to Flashback
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Most of these kids won't play past high school and the parents sign them up to play year round, lol.
With the large number of teams these days, there are plenty of kids who travel ball kids who don't even make their HS roster.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:58 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Bro, step away from the travel ball koolaid. The numbers say your child has a very small chance of playing beyond high school, an even smaller chance of getting a scholly, and will never make a penny playing baseball.
ummm have you read anything i have posted in this thread.....or are you just mouthing off?
nobody gives a frick about a scholly especailly considering the weak arse baseball scholarships compared to academic scholarships.
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I'm all for hard work and giving your child every opportunity to succeed, but we are only a couple years (everyone playing travel ball started blowing up about 6-7 years ago)from tons of folks getting their dreams crushed when their kid either hates baseball or isn't good enough to move on.
if he decides to not play...im all for it and will support the shite out of him in no matter what he chooses. I could care less if its band, computer programming or sports. That is up to him.
Only thing i care about is they keep their grades up, meaing 4.0, that they learn to work hard, compete and have fun. So long as they do those things i will support them no matter what it is.
if they decides they wants to play but not such a serioues level...ill support that too. If they decides he wants to go to barbe and play, ill support that, same if they decide they want to go to St Louis.
stop projecting and thinking people are overboard or are pushing their dreams on thier kids. Thats not the case at all for pretty much every single travel ball kid i know.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:02 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
I don’t want my kids playing college sports, and when he’s playing ball he isn’t on an iPad or computer or PlayStation
He’s winning and losing with a team
He’s winning and losing with a team
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:02 pm to lsu777
Although I do support his views this thread has for sure proved which hill 777 will die on. Lol.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:02 pm to lsu777
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stop projecting and thinking people are overboard or are pushing their dreams on thier kids. Thats not the case at all for pretty much every single travel ball kid i know.
Ask those kids how often their parents are paying a tutor, or how much more they are studying than going to practice, private lessons, etc and get back to me.
Again, I saw a grown arse man wearing padded sliding pants to coach 3rd base in an 8u tournament yesterday
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:02 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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What tournaments are you going to? Because I witnessed a mom yelling at an umpire over a call in 8u coach pitch in Hammond last month. That was along with the coaches screaming at 7 year old players
are they screaming or just being loud to get their attention?
and who cares if they yell at a 7 year old? Let the kid be coached and learn from his mistakes.
and yea parents yell at the umps, that happens in rec and high school too.
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You aren't being genuine if you don't acknowledge that a large majority are either there to show off themselves or believes their child is the next Bryce Harper.
i can tell you from my expierence the last 3 years that is anything but the case. You are projecting out of ignorance.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:04 pm to Flashback
I mean they have travel pitching machine tournaments. Maverick gonna accumulate lots of rings when he destroys teams in those tournaments.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:05 pm to lsu777
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You are projecting out of ignorance.
My kid plays travel ball. I've spoken to people at travel ball tournmanets. I know people who are pissed that their kid either didn't make the HS team or sits the bench even though they played travel ball. I'm pretty confident in what I'm saying.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:07 pm to lsu777
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i can tell you from my expierence the last 3 years that is anything but the case. You are projecting out of ignorance
You refusing to admit theres not one single thing wrong with travel ball or you've never as much as witnessed one single negative interaction disqualifies you from being taking even the slightest bit serious.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:09 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Ask those kids how often their parents are paying a tutor, or how much more they are studying than going to practice, private lessons, etc and get back to me.
why would someone need to pay for tutoring? frick its pre high school academics...how dumb do you have to be to not be able to teach the homework to your kid?
I can tell you that the team we play on requires no C's and you will bring your report card to show the coach and you will run your arse off every practice until you have no C's.
I can also tell you in the my case and Proms case that our kids make straight A's and go to 2 of the best schools in the parish. My older 2 are also in gifted. Academics always comes first.
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Again, I saw a grown arse man wearing padded sliding pants to coach 3rd base in an 8u tournament yesterday
no doubt you have some douchebags...but i can say for the most part..i have seen much bigger douche bags in rec than in tournament ball.
there are absolutely coaches, parents etc that meet the OTs sterotypical travel ball definition, but for 99% of the coaches and parents...the OT is way off.
As far as a hill i will die on....kind of. I was just like the typical OT person 3+ years ago. I thought travel ball was stupid. But my middle kid asked to tryout and I wasnt going to tell a kid no...you are not allowed to play against better competition. I am blessed and can afford it so I supported him.
I realized quickly i was wrong on 99% of my assumptions. I also came to realize pretty quickly that the rec model sucks and it was a much higher class of people that i would rather be around in tournament ball. It also was not nearly as expensive as I thought.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:10 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You refusing to admit theres not one single thing wrong with travel ball or you've never as much as witnessed one single negative interaction disqualifies you from being taking even the slightest bit serious.
That's my point. We are doing it because the rec league here is historically terrible. I'm not thrilled about it and made it known that I won't be doing any fundraising. Let me know how much I have to pay, let the kids have fun and learn, and lets move on. We didn't even have tryouts, it's basically his friend group from school
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:12 pm to lsu777
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why would someone need to pay for tutoring? frick its pre high school academics...how dumb do you have to be to not be able to teach the homework to your kid?
I can tell you that the team we play on requires no C's and you will bring your report card to show the coach and you will run your arse off every practice until you have no C's.
So you have people who can't teach their children pre-HS academics to get better than C's? Sounds like some of that private coaching $$$ would be better spent with a tutor, no?
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:15 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You refusing to admit theres not one single thing wrong with travel ball or you've never as much as witnessed one single negative interaction disqualifies you from being taking even the slightest bit serious.
ummm there are plenty of things wrong with travel and i have witnessed plenty of terrible things.
#1 would be terrible and classless coaching. seen that plenty and my oldest was on a team with a terrible coach. I told him he committed to the team to suck it up and finish out the season. The coach was in charge and unless he put his hands on him or put him in what i considered a dangerous position he was to listen to the coach and say yes sir and no sir and be a damn good team mate and to ignore all the complaints about the coach and what other players said.
#2 there is absolutely abuse on arms by coaches. But i put that squarely on the shoulders of the parents. the safe smart pitch guidelines are absolutely front and center and should be followed. I dont care how many innings usssa says you can do. the armcare resources are also right there front and center and parents should be monitoring and following these things themselves and put their foot down if a coach goes overboard. When my son picks up with teams(this is rare and only if we have 2+ weeks off) i make monitor the pitch count and immediately tell the coach that is enough if its too much, he shows signs of being tired or his velocity falls off.
#3 plenty of shitty organizations out there. plenty that just take your money. been apart of good and bad orgs. dont be afraid to seek out other orgs if its a bad expierence.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:16 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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My kid plays travel ball. I've spoken to people at travel ball tournmanets. I know people who are pissed that their kid either didn't make the HS team or sits the bench even though they played travel ball. I'm pretty confident in what I'm saying.
well that delusional people that dont know shite about baseball or that have parent eyes.
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