re: “You can no longer work from home”

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If they aren't paying me to work after hours, it waits until tomorrow. If the boss wants to make a fuss then make sure you let them know you'll be putting all that extra time on your timesheet (have this conversation via email so there's a record of their responses).

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Yeah, but. Most of my career was engineering stuff that supported our production lines. Later on, with global competition, we went to 24/7 production. If there was a problem the shift people couldn't handle, I got the call at home.

It sucked, but finding another job (that might or might not be better) ain't easy either. And I had a family dependent on me. So I sucked it up.

If you are in a position to say "Eff that" then do it. But there were other people willing to take my job if I did that, so I sucked it up.

The good news was, we had a lot of success for a while, and we were getting big bonuses (not so much considering my unpaid overtime as a salaried employee), and I managed things such that I was able to retire early. That was/is sweet!

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a salaried employee. I have exceptional performance reviews and have been working from home the entire time. Now my company tells me I am no longer allowed to work from home, and I have to come into the office. Which I do. At 8:30pm I receive an email from my boss asking about a project. I do not answer the email because, as instructed, I am no longer allowed to work from home.

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I have been work from home for 20 years. I have zero concept of time off or off time. Phone or email are my masters. I get all the freedoms to do as I please during the day.

If the project was that time sensitive your boss shoulda text you to let you l know. If you chose not to comply because you pitched a fit, you prob didn’t need to be working from home anyway

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Seems like a lot $11/hr McDonald workers in here. If any of my people refused to respond “after hours”they’d be gone in a heartbeat

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Spoken like a manager with sky high turnover in his department and has no clue why

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if you make too much of a habit of it they my look for someone else that they feel doesn't have quite so many personal time "needs"

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If they make too much of a habit of demanding free labor, report the frickers.

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when employees can’t even take vacation time with family without significant interruption from work. 247/365 is the mantra and I think what really pisses me off is their hypocrisy and bullshite about “work life balance.”

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i don't really have any basis for saying this, but it seems like this used to only be expected of top VPs and maybe top salesmen in some cases... in this new post covid/wfh era it's everyone, all the time. people are so needy and autistic now.

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If they make too much of a habit of demanding free labor, report the frickers.

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For non-exempt employees, I agree with you, they should be paid for working every hour the employer asks/expects them to work. There are set hours and expectations.

For exempt employees, you're not being paid to work hours. You're being paid to do a job. Being exempt, like most things in life, has pros/cons. Pros are your check can't change based on quality or quantity of work. If you work 1 hour of a week, your salary has to be paid out in some form or fashion (provided that you're not taking days off when you don't have any available vacation/sick time). Downside is you're expected to do your job regardless of whether you feel it's within hours or not.

This thread has gotten pretty far off-topic from the OP. To his question, I think a lot of issues between employers/employees on this topic stem from the fact that there's a difference in working from home and working at home.

Legit question, At 40 yrs old and first time in my life I got a job where I turn it off at 5 and I am not expected to do anything until 8 am. Also work from home. I think your reaction is on point, dont tell me you need me in the office and tell me I can do things for you on my time at home.

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For exempt employees, you're not being paid to work hours. You're being paid to do a job.

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That's fine, except brand new, entry level employees are under the same non-exempt status.

If you're a high earner, you should have more responsibilities. frick anybody expecting regular after hours work from somebody drawing a $40k salary.

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I do not mind doing things from home if need be as long as I have freedom to make my own hours and come and go as I please as long as job is done

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Agreed, but tons of managers don't see it that way. They want all of the extra with none of the flex.

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Trust between you and your employer is key. If they trust you are doing your job well there is no reason to be micro managed

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Again, totally correct. But you have managers and employers that can't let go of the micromanaging. You see it on this board. "I'd never let my employees work from home, they're lazy!" That's a you problem chief. If your employees can't do their work without you micromanaging, that's on you.