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re: “You can no longer work from home”
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:00 am to Mud_Bone
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:00 am to Mud_Bone
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Your grandfather would be embarrassed.
The thing about my grandfather is that he's dead.
He can't be anything.
He's in the dirt. Being digested.
What is this deal with the dead being put on a pedestal and having to consider their wishes? They're dead. It is my living wish to not have any stupid dying wish. I want my last words on this earth to be to whoever is around me (if there is anyone), "I don't care what you do after I'm dead because I'll be dead."
We love to shite on the British and their antiquated royal traditions, but it seems like we have a whole host of people in here who have traded in royal superiority for the thought of doing the same thing and kissing the wealthy's arse.
The employer hires the employee. The employee performs services for remuneration. How they do it is completely dependent on both parties. But a lot of the replies in here act as if the employee should be kissing the ring of the person who employes them.
The employer needs the employee just as much as the employee needs the employer. Both parties have the right to seek alternative solutions to their employment issues, but to act like someone who has been doing their job remotely for two years is now entitled for wanting continue seems weak. If we are going back to grandfathers, I think those grandfathers would be embarassed that their kids are so subservient.
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:06 am to AbitaFan08
I care too much about my work-life balance. I work 40 hours a week, and not a minute more. That's something I like to be on the same page about in the interview process. "Is this position one that would require working after hours, if so this may not be the best fit for me at this time".
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:08 am to wadewilson
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That's fine, except brand new, entry level employees are under the same non-exempt status.
Well yeah, entry-level employees have to be non-exempt. There's a duties test that goes along with the salary requirements to exempt an employee. For the majority of industries, there's 3 distinct categories (albeit, there are 9 overall) -- Administrative Support, Executive, Professional. Most companies use the administrative support classification because it has the most grey area.
For executive and professional, it's more black/white. You're managing 2 or more people or directing an organization, or you're an employee who had to attain advanced education/certification to complete their job (most often attorneys, teachers, accountants, etc.).
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If you're a high earner, you should have more responsibilities. frick anybody expecting regular after hours work from somebody drawing a $40k salary.
DOL disagrees with you here. As long as the employee falls into one of the categories listed above, and is being paid at least $684/week (a little over $35,500 salary), then an employer can exempt them. This is where the whole "if you don't like it find another job/career" thing comes into play.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:12 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Oh, Christ, that 10x bullshite made its way out of the software world?
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:13 am to BenDover
The idea of someone making 40k being unable to get paid for OT is fricking hilarious
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:15 am to AbitaFan08
If I didn't have health issues, I wouldn't mind being in the office. I know my career growth is stymied by it, but if it risks making me die quicker, it wouldn't really matter.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:19 am to BuckyCheese
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If you can work from home, Abu in India can do your job.
For less.
I mean we are all replaceable. There's always another person who can do your job. Whether you are in-person or virtual.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:20 am to Odysseus32
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but to act like someone who has been doing their job remotely for two years is now entitled for wanting continue seems weak
And to act like employers, who have had everyone in the office for far longer, are now assholes for wanting employees to return to the office space is also weak. The biggest struggle is that employees (in most cases) were granted temporary accommodations to work from home but are now twisting it to use it as leverage for a permanent solution.
Personally, I don't care if someone can do their job from the moon -- if that makes them happy, they remain engaged in their work, and they do that job well, then by all means buy a damn space suit and go. But I don't own a business and I signed an offer letter to work for this employer, for this compensation, under these terms of employment. So that's what I do. If that's not amenable to me, I'm free to pursue other employment opportunities.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:20 am to QJenk
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I mean we are all replaceable. There's always another person who can do your job. Whether you are in-person or virtual.
Yes, this is true for almost everyone, including employers by the way.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:22 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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The idea of someone making 40k being unable to get paid for OT is fricking hilarious
Definitely agree. I know last year there was talk about proposing a bill that would increase the minimum from $35,500 to ~$48,000 but I haven't kept up with it to see if it's progressing through Congress or not.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:23 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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The idea of someone making 40k being unable to get paid for OT is fricking hilarious
My first job I did it for $32k. No reimbursement for OT, and I had to travel a lot. Plenty of working weekends.
Went on a 3 week road trip doing conventions and working 16-18 hour days.
First week I was back home I left work 30 minutes early one day. HR turned me in, the manager told me he expected me to make up that time.
When I quit, I did it right. Used up my vacation time, went out for knee surgery, came back to work on crutches and spent the next couple of weeks leaving when I wanted for physical therapy, sat at my desk in gym shorts, and quit without notice when I was finally off crutches.
frick them.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:23 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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But what is the point of a 40-hour salaried position?
Anyone on salary should expect to work extra hours. That’s the whole point.
Otherwise they would just be hourly.
That feels like it's defeating the purpose. The salary is based off of the 40 hour work week. If you're salaried and routinely working extra hours, then by nature, you are working unpaid. If you are in a job where it is expected to work 50-60 hours every week, then you should be hourly, so you can receive your just pay.
But then again, companies wouldn't like that, because they don't want to pay all of those OT hours.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:27 am to AbitaFan08
Most companies will keep a hybrid approach. 3 days in, 2 days from home or something similar.
For the most part people that are productive at home are productive in the office. People that are unproductive at home are also unproductive at the office.
I think the only issue with requiring everyone to be back in 100% of the time is running people off to competition that don’t require it. It’s now become a built in perk.
For the most part people that are productive at home are productive in the office. People that are unproductive at home are also unproductive at the office.
I think the only issue with requiring everyone to be back in 100% of the time is running people off to competition that don’t require it. It’s now become a built in perk.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:27 am to QJenk
the whole exempt/non exempt, salary/hourly thing seems like bullshite to me the vast majority of the time
are you really no longer hourly if you don't have unlimited PTO? if you have to report time worked or not worked to your employer, how are you not hourly? you're hourly but don't get paid past 40 hours/week.
are you really no longer hourly if you don't have unlimited PTO? if you have to report time worked or not worked to your employer, how are you not hourly? you're hourly but don't get paid past 40 hours/week.
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 9:29 am
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:30 am to QJenk
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If you are in a job where it is expected to work 50-60 hours every week, then you should be hourly, so you can receive your just pay.
My last employer had me hourly to start. Was told that I HAD to limit my overtime at all costs, but was routinely asked to work more than 40 hrs/week. Got to the point where they were calling me to come in later in an effort to stop overtime.
After a year of me continually getting ~10hr of overtime a week, they changed my position to a salaried one.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:32 am to 0x15E
quote:how big of a raise did that come with, compared to what you were making with OT?
After a year of me continually getting ~10hr of overtime a week, they changed my position to a salaried one.
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 9:32 am
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:34 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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how big of a raise did that come with, compared to what you were making with OT?
Raise?
Lol
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:38 am to AbitaFan08
One challenge that many companies will face is that they hired people DURING work from home, and commuting wasn't part of the consideration. Not worth arguing here about it.
Over half our company was hired since 2020. We have a crap ton of people that were hired that don't live in the area. Are they going to ask people to relocate from all over the country just to have butts in seats, when we are showing year over year growth as-is? I have people from CA, AZ, and NY on my team.
Beyond the out of region people, they've hired people from all over the Atlanta area that they may not have been able to hire due to the reality of a 1-2 hour or even more hour commute. We've got folks that live in Athens, south of ATL, north of ATL, West of ATL.
When you start bringing people in and making exceptions, it could get tricky. Why does Carl get to live in California, but Lenny has to commute 1.5 hours or move? Schools stink near the office, maybe people with kids don't want to move?
Companies probably realize turnover will be massive and the payoff will have to be very obvious to force people into the office.
Now, for the companies that built massive campuses? It's an issue.
Over half our company was hired since 2020. We have a crap ton of people that were hired that don't live in the area. Are they going to ask people to relocate from all over the country just to have butts in seats, when we are showing year over year growth as-is? I have people from CA, AZ, and NY on my team.
Beyond the out of region people, they've hired people from all over the Atlanta area that they may not have been able to hire due to the reality of a 1-2 hour or even more hour commute. We've got folks that live in Athens, south of ATL, north of ATL, West of ATL.
When you start bringing people in and making exceptions, it could get tricky. Why does Carl get to live in California, but Lenny has to commute 1.5 hours or move? Schools stink near the office, maybe people with kids don't want to move?
Companies probably realize turnover will be massive and the payoff will have to be very obvious to force people into the office.
Now, for the companies that built massive campuses? It's an issue.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:39 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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the whole exempt/non exempt, salary/hourly thing seems like bullshite to me the vast majority of the time
are you really no longer hourly if you don't have unlimited PTO? if you have to report time worked or not worked to your employer, how are you not hourly? you're hourly but don't get paid past 40 hours/week.
there is a bizarre stigma around getting paid hourly vs salary. All my hourly jobs got full benefits so it was really no different besides the pain of clocking in.
Before I was in sales, i was doing operations I was regularly asked to work 50 hours a week at one job and another that i would be working weekends all of the time. I would have been paid less with salary. When shite would hit the same 70 hours in a week were not unheard of, we thrived in hurricanes
When payroll got to bitching about how much OT I was making, I would gladly leave at 8 hours, not come in on Saturday or take an hour lunch. Gave me some control and leverage over my work instead of just being full "yessa masta, ill be in on Saturday. I don't need these LSU-alabama tickets"
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:40 am to AbitaFan08
I was sent home to work on March 15, 2020. I was told to give it a couple of weeks and then come back. I type this from my home office where I have been for the past three years.
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