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re: WWII Items... (Parts one and two.)
Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:25 pm to WWII Collector
Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:25 pm to WWII Collector
Awesome thread, OP. By the way (and I imagine OP is law ready aware of this fact) the 45th Infantry Division patch shown here in your pic….
… was not the original patch used by this unit. In fact, they only adopted it in 1939. Before then, this was the official shoulder patch for the 45th.
If you’re wondering why an American infantry division would have a Nazi symbol as their patch, the answer is simple, to the men of the 45th the swastika wasn’t a Nazi symbol. Instead it was a scared symbol to the Indian tribes of the Southwest. You see, the 45th Infantry was a National Guard division made up of units from Oklahoma, Colorado, and Arizona. Thus, the 45th adopted the swastika as their insignia, only changing it another sacred Indian symbol, the Thunderbird, after the Nazis in Germany hijacked the swastika.
… was not the original patch used by this unit. In fact, they only adopted it in 1939. Before then, this was the official shoulder patch for the 45th.
If you’re wondering why an American infantry division would have a Nazi symbol as their patch, the answer is simple, to the men of the 45th the swastika wasn’t a Nazi symbol. Instead it was a scared symbol to the Indian tribes of the Southwest. You see, the 45th Infantry was a National Guard division made up of units from Oklahoma, Colorado, and Arizona. Thus, the 45th adopted the swastika as their insignia, only changing it another sacred Indian symbol, the Thunderbird, after the Nazis in Germany hijacked the swastika.
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Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:31 pm to Spankum
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Man, this is fascinating! I particularly liked hearing about the “son in service” flag. Thanks for posting/
Where on earth did you get that bomb?
Glad that you liked the Son in service flag...
as to the bomb... haha.. Haha.. good eye... I am not ready to make that post yet because I plan on repaingthing that bomb in a few days and do a Bomb thread... So do I have to tell ya now???? I got a couple more bomb items...
Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:33 pm to WWII Collector
VERY COOL
Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:42 pm to Darth_Vader
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If you’re wondering why an American infantry division would have a Nazi symbol as their patch, the answer is simple, to the men of the 45th the swastika wasn’t a Nazi symbol. Instead it was a scared symbol to the Indian tribes of the Southwest. You see, the 45th Infantry was a National Guard division made up of units from Oklahoma, Colorado, and Arizona. Thus, the 45th adopted the swastika as their insignia, only changing it another sacred Indian symbol, the Thunderbird, after the Nazis in Germany hijacked the swastika.
You are so right Mr. Vader 100% correct.
Ans just a little tid bit about the 45th Infantry. They earned the name the ROck of Anzio because the Germans threw everything that they had at the 45th who was centering the line at Anzio. The Germans chose them for direct frontal assault because they WERE a National Guard unit and Not a regular Army Unit.
The 45th held under brutal assualt as they got everybody that could hold a gun from cooks to clerks and held off the German attack at the Bypass at Anzio.
Thank You for your post.
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:07 pm to fr33manator
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fr33manator - can you tell me anything from these pics?
I am not educated in Broadies and actually have been learning as I go.. From what I see and have been researching I do believe that you have a US M-1917... The color seems correct. Plus the chinstrap definately looks US. ANd since I cannot see any British markings.. I would say that I am about 90% us have a US 1917, probably used through the 30's and into the beginnings of WWII...
Try to get a few more pics of the chin straps rivits... and the where the outband comes together and spot welded.
This post was edited on 3/15/22 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 3/15/22 at 11:50 pm to WWII Collector
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So do I have to tell ya now????
Nope…I’ll be on the lookout for when you repaint it!
Posted on 3/16/22 at 12:31 am to WWII Collector
Fascinating stuff. Thanks for posting.
Posted on 3/16/22 at 12:57 am to WWII Collector
Interested in an 8 inch Luger or a signed copy of Mein Kampf?
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:22 am to WWII Collector
YES!! He flew with the RAF .. Spitfires. 
I can't get the link to work with the pic of him and his plane BUT if you google Rober J Adams spitfire it comes up in images.
We have another photo of him during a planning meeting of sorts but IDK how to link it. If I remember right, he had an ear infection on what WAS to be DDay but then DDay got delayed and he WAS able to fly!
Here's his very informational obituary: HIs obituary .. interesting for history buffs
I remember our son interviewing him when he was in fifth grade for a project .. we asked him if he was ever scared. He said "no but I was concerned" but the "English were really nice .. they gave us tea and cookies". My aunt made a shadow box of all of his medals and his pilot's "helmet" which was a leather nothing. His home office had a picture (not sure if it was his plane or not) but it was being lifted onto a Navy carrier with a crane (again iirc).
My father divorced my mother when I was an infant and I never got to visit with my grandparents on that side much .. it's threads like yours that make me wish that hadn't happened. BUT I'm a very proud granddaughter.
EDIT: found the other photo but hope it links.
He's the one on the table drinking coffee. In the second pic if you scroll down, he's the 2nd from the left.
And now I'm pissed all over again that an a-hole decided he didn't want a wife/child (I'm the child) and basically robbed me of a set of awesome grandparents.
Trying one more time: LINK
I can't get the link to work with the pic of him and his plane BUT if you google Rober J Adams spitfire it comes up in images.
We have another photo of him during a planning meeting of sorts but IDK how to link it. If I remember right, he had an ear infection on what WAS to be DDay but then DDay got delayed and he WAS able to fly!
Here's his very informational obituary: HIs obituary .. interesting for history buffs
I remember our son interviewing him when he was in fifth grade for a project .. we asked him if he was ever scared. He said "no but I was concerned" but the "English were really nice .. they gave us tea and cookies". My aunt made a shadow box of all of his medals and his pilot's "helmet" which was a leather nothing. His home office had a picture (not sure if it was his plane or not) but it was being lifted onto a Navy carrier with a crane (again iirc).
My father divorced my mother when I was an infant and I never got to visit with my grandparents on that side much .. it's threads like yours that make me wish that hadn't happened. BUT I'm a very proud granddaughter.
EDIT: found the other photo but hope it links.
He's the one on the table drinking coffee. In the second pic if you scroll down, he's the 2nd from the left.
And now I'm pissed all over again that an a-hole decided he didn't want a wife/child (I'm the child) and basically robbed me of a set of awesome grandparents.
Trying one more time: LINK
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 9:33 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:22 am to SEClint
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Interested in a signed copy of Mein Kampf?
Most definitely.. Lets talk.
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an 8 inch Luger
This one is not on my radar at the moment.. Thank You.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 9:24 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 9:44 am to tiger91
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tiger91
Amazing... US Navy Pilots flying Spitfires on D-Day.. Great story and Thank you for sharing...
I will read more info on this and in my searches for items I will definitely add VCS-7...
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 9:49 am
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:04 am to WWII Collector
WWII Collector,
Amazing collection. I got a question. My wife’s (no pics) Grandfather served in WWII. He was in the European and Africa campaign. He died in 1970 but her family does not have much information about his time in the war. On his headstone, it has Co D, 311th Infantry on it. How would I go about finding information on his Company that he served under? I tried google but it was hard to pinpoint information. Any advice?
Amazing collection. I got a question. My wife’s (no pics) Grandfather served in WWII. He was in the European and Africa campaign. He died in 1970 but her family does not have much information about his time in the war. On his headstone, it has Co D, 311th Infantry on it. How would I go about finding information on his Company that he served under? I tried google but it was hard to pinpoint information. Any advice?
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:35 am to CobraCommander83
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Amazing collection. I got a question. My wife’s (no pics) Grandfather served in WWII. He was in the European and Africa campaign. He died in 1970 but her family does not have much information about his time in the war. On his headstone, it has Co D, 311th Infantry on it. How would I go about finding information on his Company that he served under? I tried google but it was hard to pinpoint information. Any advice?
Hi Cobra... I don't have a real answer for you. Company level information is almost impossible to obtain and usually left to books that are referring to specific battles and such.. It's almost a personal level thing.
What I have to do, as in this case CO D. 311 Infantry is I have to start up at the top level and work down... for Example.
78 Infantry Division
311 Infantry Regiment
Company D
You have to start at the top and begin finding out specific information as to the Division and it's history.. As you reasrch it, it will open doors to info on the 311 Regiment.. ANd as you gain information on the 311th, then you will start finding information on specific Companies.
One of the things that I love is researching these pieces and I have found that one thing leads to another and then another and then another...
There are the National Archives...
https://www.archives.gov/veterans
I do not own this piece... (I wish that I did).. It is the discharge papers of an old man that used to Tell me war stories when I was a kid... I learned more about the man from this piece of paper than I ever did when he was alive. His family gave me a copy of it.
I hope that I have helped you in any way...
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 3/16/22 at 10:47 am to Darth_Vader
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Instead it was a scared symbol to the Indian tribes of the Southwest
Also for the dot Indians, religiously sacred
Posted on 3/16/22 at 11:08 am to WWII Collector
Thanks
Posted on 3/16/22 at 2:29 pm to WWII Collector
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Try to get a few more pics of the chin straps rivits... and the where the outband comes together and spot welded
Do these help?
Posted on 3/16/22 at 3:27 pm to BobABooey
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I have this Higgins Boats lapel pin. It’s sterling sliver and in pretty good shape other than the pin being broken off and missing the base. I intend to bring it by the D-Day Museum (or whatever it’s called now) on my next visit to N.O. but the years keep rolling along. They might be interested or they might show me a drawer with 100’s of others.
That's cool. I know 2 of Higgins' grandsons (not sure if he had more) from highschool. Had no idea who their grandfather was until well after and highschool.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 3/16/22 at 7:49 pm to fr33manator
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Can you tell me anything from these pics?
Ok... I had to get some help on this one because it didn;t look right... It was the swivels.
It's a post War Dutch mkII.... as seen here.
https://wardmilitaria.com/products/post-wwii-dutch-mk-ii-helmet-produced-by-verblifa
Notice the chin strap bail are the same.. and then if you look at the picture you can see that the markings on the rim are almost identical.... I believe it says VB 56
Took some help to identify this one.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:11 pm to WWII Collector
Oh well, still looks cool
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