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WWII Items - December 7th Edition...

Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:08 pm
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:08 pm
Hello All... I wanted to do this earlier today, But I just got in... I figured that I would post the few little items that I have that are related with December 7th, 1941.

I believe that everybody knows the history so I won't go into details of it... But will discuss the items themselves...

I may make some comments as I go.

First off...

First up is a Home front item as seen in my avatar. People on the home front wore these. It's a button about the size of a quarter. I picked it on at an Antique store in Arkansas while on a Motorcycle ride.




Secondly is a Complete newspaper from my home state. Once I read it, which I haven't yet, I will frame it. Because of the Home state and complete paper I paid a little for it.







Second is a Front page only of another Newspaper. I got this at a steal. This item is already framed.



Before I go on... I am going to give a little History Lesson here... The USS Oklahoma was commissioned in 1916, and served in WWI... She was later sunk at Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941. when she took serval torpedos and Capsized trapped hundreds of men below Decks. A total of 429 crew were killed.

In 1943, Oklahoma was righted and salvaged. Unlike most of the other battleships that were recovered following Pearl Harbor, Oklahoma was too damaged to return to duty. Her wreck was eventually stripped of her remaining armament and superstructure before being sold for scrap in 1946. The hulk sank in a storm in 1947, while being towed from Oahu, Hawaii, to a breakers yard in San Francisco Bay.



The next Item is a small paper item. You Navy guys can give more information than I can. But these little pieces were known as "Chits". They were given to Sailor in Advance of receiving pay so they could buy items from the Ships store such as Cigarettes, Chocolate, etc. I have this piece in a small frame.




This next item was standard issue throughout the war to all Services. As the title explains it is a Song and Service for Ship and Field... So Chaplains could hold Church Services in both Ship and Field as titled.. The Book is divided into three parts... Protestant, Catholic and Jewish. There were tens of thousands of these printed up and distributed throughout all theaters of the war.










But there is one thing that separates this Song and Service Book from all the Rest... and it is this.. It is Stamped with this...




and Ironically This Service book was printed 1941.. The very year that the Oklahoma was Sunk at Pearl Harbor.
I can only speculate, but one of three things had to have happened. Either the book made it to the ship and it was either:
A: Taken off the ship by a sailor before the Attack.
B: It was printed and never made it to the ship before the Attack.
C: It was aboard the Ship and was found in the salvage efforts.

But the Book shows no sign of Water Damage so I believe that It was printed the same year as the Attack, but never made it to the Ship before the Attack took place.




These are all the items that I own that is related to Pearl Harbor...

There is so much to be said about Pearl Harbor, from the Arizona, the Salvaging of the Oklahoma, the story of Doris Miller... I could go on but I won't... I may later.. I just want to close by saying to you Veterans, both of yesterday and today..

"Thank You" for the Freedom that you provide for me and the Sacrifices that you have made for me and others..








If you guys enjoy these posts... Please take a moment to respond... Thank You







This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 6:25 pm
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:27 pm to
I have a brass 12” shell casing from the Oklahoma that is in my office as an umbrella stand. My Great Uncle was a gunner on the ship and sent the casing home via APO prior to the PH attack. He survived the attack and served out the war on another ship. Cool piece I will never sell.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:48 pm to
Awesome post thanks for sharing
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
6993 posts
Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:49 pm to
quote:

I have a brass 12” shell casing from the Oklahoma that is in my office as an umbrella stand


That is awesome...
Posted by madamsquirrel
The Snarlington Estate
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:55 pm to
I agree. Awesome post! So glad you shared it. Interesting items.
Posted by ForLSU56
Rapides Parish
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:56 pm to
Thanks for posting and sharing the history and pictures.
Posted by ForLSU56
Rapides Parish
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 6:56 pm to
JBG
If you get a chance to take a pic of the shell casing and post it..that would be fantastic.
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
6993 posts
Posted on 12/7/20 at 7:07 pm to
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JBG
If you get a chance to take a pic of the shell casing and post it..that would be fantastic.


I'd like to see that as well...
Posted by JoeJoeW
Member since Jan 2017
70 posts
Posted on 12/7/20 at 7:12 pm to
I have the Dec 7, 1941 Honolulu Hawaii newspaper announcing the attack on Pearl Harbor. Any idea how much it may be worth? Or where to find out?
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
6993 posts
Posted on 12/7/20 at 7:15 pm to
quote:

I have the Dec 7, 1941 Honolulu Hawaii newspaper announcing the attack on Pearl Harbor. Any idea how much it may be worth? Or where to find out?


As always.. It is supply and demand and what someone is will to pay... And Like me, the home state newspaper is worth more than other newspapers... Most news papers don't bring too much... But since it is Dec 7 and a highly sought after newspaper.....

But right off the top of my head. Bout $75 - $100.
a Dec 8, 9 or 10 etc. would be worth about $10 - $20
Average every day WWII newspapers run about $8.

I am trying to get a '42 paper with Stalingrad headlines, but the guy won't come off $27 plus shipping.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 7:37 pm
Posted by MonroeTigerstripes
Member since Jul 2016
534 posts
Posted on 12/7/20 at 7:25 pm to
Awesome thread. My great grandpa is a WWII vet, still alive and doing well. He has memorabilia from the war. One of the things I think is most interesting is the “pocketbooks” the soldiers were given in each country. From what I recall, the pocketbooks contain common phrases to communicate with locals in each country.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 7:36 pm to
Thank you for sharing. I always appreciate your threads
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
6993 posts
Posted on 12/7/20 at 7:54 pm to
quote:

Thank you for sharing. I always appreciate your threads


Thank You very much... I greatly appreciate that..
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 7:55 pm
Posted by COTiger
Colorado
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 8:00 pm to
I have no idea why anyone would down vote this post.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 8:07 pm to
quote:

I have a brass 12” shell casing from the Oklahoma


Should be a 14
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
6993 posts
Posted on 12/7/20 at 8:17 pm to
quote:

Awesome thread. My great grandpa is a WWII vet, still alive and doing well. He has memorabilia from the war.



Man, You tell your GrandaPa thanks for me will you please.

quote:

One of the things I think is most interesting is the “pocketbooks” the soldiers were given in each country. From what I recall, the pocketbooks contain common phrases to communicate with locals in each country.


Here ya go... I'll post it one day soon ok, plus a got a few more.







Here is a picture of the 45th Infantry enroute to North Africa in '43... you can see a couple guys actually reading
this book/pamphlet/.

(edit), if you look hard enough.. There are 3 rifles and all are Bolt action Remington 1903's.. No garands.



This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 8:22 pm
Posted by MonroeTigerstripes
Member since Jul 2016
534 posts
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:07 pm to
That’s an incredible picture
Posted by NOLATiger163
Insane State of NOLA
Member since Aug 2018
453 posts
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:15 pm to
quote:

I have a brass 12” shell casing from the Oklahoma

I'm about 95% sure that's not a shell casing in the sense we use it for small arms. For guns above about a 6" bore, the shell and the powder did not come in one unit like for example regular rifle and pistol cartridges. The standard for battleship main guns was the shell, then multiple bags of powder (which were not even stored in the same magazine), then an igniter charge. They were inserted into the breach and rammed separately.

So what is it you have? My bet is a case to store a powder bag or two. The idea was to shield the bags of powder from flames and sparks. Is it about 15-16" diameter and 15-30" tall?

ETA
Strannix is right--the Oklahoma's main guns were 14", not 12". There were some 12"-armed battleships still out there in WWII (for example, the U.S.S. Arkansas), but not many.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 9:27 pm
Posted by NOLATiger163
Insane State of NOLA
Member since Aug 2018
453 posts
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:21 pm to
quote:

There are 3 rifles and all are Bolt action Remington 1903's


That would be Springfield M1903s. And FWIW they appear to me to be original '03s (WWI era) instead of WWII-era M1903A3s because of the straight stocks.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98181 posts
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:57 pm to
My wife's dad was a WW2 vet-she was a late in life baby. He served on a light carrier, mostly escorting convoys back and forth to the combat zones. Only attacked one time, by a kamikaze that missed. He saw quite a few guys killed in accidents, though. I downloaded his ship's war diary from Fold3.com. What most people don't get is how monotonous it could be. Many of the entries just say "sailing as before" or "anchored as before" for weeks at a time.
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