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re: WSJ "Article" Blames men for dating problems.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:02 pm to OceanTiger83
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:02 pm to OceanTiger83
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I'm sure there are other guys who are doing the same.
There are. It's definitely a challenge and like scruffy said, things aren't the way they were in the past.
I'm just saying don't give up all hope. I'm definitely not looking right now, just focusing on myself and working on some things.
There are tons of good women out there still. I'm a few years older than you and by the time I make some moves I have planned, I'm not sure if I'd want to date so young again or someone closer to my own age where the kids are grown.
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Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:03 pm to EarlyCuyler3
Done that. Problem is you get really attached to kid and when it doesn't work out, losing that kid hurts worse than losing the woman.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:04 pm to prplhze2000
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Done that. Problem is you get really attached to kid and when it doesn't work out, losing that kid hurts worse than losing the woman.
Not my experience in this case, but I miss him more than I thought I would. It's really the first time in my life where I actually spent any significant time with a kid though. It was just never my thing.
Sorry you had that happen though.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:06 pm to prplhze2000
The problem is that a huge percentage of modern women have bought into this idea that if a man ain’t making six figures minimum, doesn’t have a big dick and a ton of other superficial bullshite to provide for her lifestyle, he ain’t shite. And on the other hand men are saying if all you’re bringing to the table is unrealistic demands, and a high body count get the hell on. There’s a legitimate trend among men to “stay toxic Kings” because these modern broads need to be checked along with the simp arse guys enabling their behavior.
This post was edited on 9/23/23 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:07 pm to SuperSaint
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mUh BoOgEyMaN
at least you or Johnny aren’t crying about it in this thread.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:09 pm to tiggerthetooth
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there are legitimately women who think a lack of social media history is a red flag
Glad my wife hated it when we met.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:10 pm to N2cars
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Women still like strong, self-confident, successful men.
If you're one of those men, you'll have no trouble meeting lots of women.
Some of those women will be bitter, self-absorbed, and more concerned about their social media image than their real-life relationships.
Identify these women and cull them.
It's never been easier to meet women. Finding one you want to date more than once is the problem.
I fire up Bumble and I'm burnt out on the entitlement after 2 months or so.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:10 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Work on being someone that has something to offer and being the best you can be and you will be surprised.
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by EarlyCuyler3
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:12 pm to EarlyCuyler3
quote:It is going to come to a head eventually.
Ah...yeah that's not gonna work out well long term.
Women will reach the age where they no longer can attract those individuals.
We will then have a large number of women who are childless and barren, still searching for a partner, and a large number of older males who were spurned and angry over it.
This whole situation is a fricking mess.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:14 pm to Wally Sparks
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Glad my wife hated it when we met.
My wife has instagram.
She looks at it and posts nothing on it. I have tigerdroppings.
The lack of social media in our household is refreshing.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:14 pm to Scruffy
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It is going to come to a head eventually.
It always does.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:15 pm to tiggerthetooth
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there are legitimately women who think a lack of social media history is a red flag).
I was told I was a red flag because I don’t have an ex wife or baby mama(s) I must have commitment issues… yeah, I don’t need a lecture about commitment from someone with a couple divorces or baby daddies under their belt. A beacon of commitment you are not.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:16 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
That was just their polite way of letting you know their red flags.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:18 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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The problem is that a huge percentage of modern women have bought into this idea that if a man ain’t making six figures minimum, doesn’t have a big dick and a ton of other superficial bull shite to provide for her lifestyle, he ain’t shite. And on the other hand men are saying if all you’re bringing to the table is unrealistic demands, and a high body count get the hell on. There’s a legitimate trend among men to “stay toxic Kings” because these modern broads need to be checked along with the simp arse guys enabling their behavior.
This has been my experience as well. I've seen some women bump up the requirement even to $150,000 due to inflation and the cost of living.
Feminists hate men who judge women purely on physical looks but yet feminists have no problem with women who largely judge men on the size of their bank account.
One of the first things a woman will ask is what you do for a living. It might be an innocent enough question but with a lot of women online it's a way for them to judge quickly around how much you probably make and whether you meet their income standards.
That's my problem in the modern dating scene. I believe I'm a sincere guy and ironically the women I do have in my life (family, women colleagues at work, a few women friends I have) all think it's crazy I'm single. One friend I have who is a woman honestly doesn't understand what's wrong with women today (this friend is in her early 50's so no I wouldn't consider dating her). But at the end of the day I don't have a career where I make six figured. I'm on the short end being 5'7" (thank you genetics) and I'm truly right in the middle in terms of looks.
Those factors sadly out shadow personality, work ethic, common interests and all other factors in dating nowadays.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:20 pm to prplhze2000
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Problem is you get really attached to kid and when it doesn't work out, losing that kid hurts worse than losing the woman.
“The human head weighs eight pounds .”
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:22 pm to EarlyCuyler3
quote:There is no easy fix.
It always does.
One place to start is that we have to stop building up egos. Society needs a dose of honesty.
People need to hold realistic expectations and have truly honest opinions of themselves.
Take myself, as an example.
As far as physical looks go, I am probably a 6 at best. Hell, I’ll take average.
I am short, which would almost immediately disqualify me on nearly every dating app. Thankfully, I met my wife before this insanity.
The world seems to believe being honest with one’s self is detrimental and destructive, while the opposite is true.
We need to crush the idea of “you are special”, except in cases where an individual is actually special.
The majority of the world is in the range of “average”. For some moronic reason, we have demonized “average”. That needs to change.
This post was edited on 9/23/23 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:23 pm to OceanTiger83
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I'm on the short end being 5'7" (thank you genetics) and I'm truly right in the middle in terms of looks.
Just lie about your height. Women are terrible at judging measurements. We’ve got the vast majority of them believing that 4” is really 6”
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:26 pm to Scruffy
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We need to crush the idea of “you are special”, except in cases where an individual is actually special.
I'm feeling a bit persecuted here.
You ain't wrong. It's humility. Ego is a motherfricker. We all have it and it does us no favors.
It will fix itself in time. Just may not be pretty how it happens.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:26 pm to OceanTiger83
Another factor for me in my dating life is that I'll admit I haven't been in many long term relationships.
I'll admit I was an introvert and very socially awkward in high school and probably the first year of college. When I got to college I did a lot of things to become more extroverted and not as socially awkward. That actually did help me a lot.
During my college years I slept around with a decent amount of women, mostly one night stands. I wouldn't say any of them were super models but most of them were at least cute. I had 2 women, both attractive, who I did the whole FWB thing which was nice. But in terms of relationships I really didn't do that in college.
In my mid 20's I had two relationships but both were relatively short term. One ended after 6 months and the other ended after a year. After those relationships I decided I didn't really want women in my life.
I never went into any of the Incel garbage but I definitely somewhat got into the MGTOW philosophy. In hindsight it cost me a few years of prime dating opportunities as my mind was warped into the MGTOW mentality.
I bring all this up as this is the reason I tend to want to date younger. I feel like for a lot of women closer to my age my lack of relationship experience will be a huge red flag and I'll admit it probably should be. For younger women I don't think it would be as much of a red flag.
I think this is also going to hurt men down the line. More and more young men are not getting any relationship experience so if they become like me and decide later in life they want a relationship with a woman they are going to be hurt by their lack of relationship experience.
Young women nowadays are able to just flat out date more and get far more relationship experience at a younger age compared to men their age. It will make it a lot harder for those men to get back into the dating scene later on and make it more likely they just quit for good.
I'll admit I was an introvert and very socially awkward in high school and probably the first year of college. When I got to college I did a lot of things to become more extroverted and not as socially awkward. That actually did help me a lot.
During my college years I slept around with a decent amount of women, mostly one night stands. I wouldn't say any of them were super models but most of them were at least cute. I had 2 women, both attractive, who I did the whole FWB thing which was nice. But in terms of relationships I really didn't do that in college.
In my mid 20's I had two relationships but both were relatively short term. One ended after 6 months and the other ended after a year. After those relationships I decided I didn't really want women in my life.
I never went into any of the Incel garbage but I definitely somewhat got into the MGTOW philosophy. In hindsight it cost me a few years of prime dating opportunities as my mind was warped into the MGTOW mentality.
I bring all this up as this is the reason I tend to want to date younger. I feel like for a lot of women closer to my age my lack of relationship experience will be a huge red flag and I'll admit it probably should be. For younger women I don't think it would be as much of a red flag.
I think this is also going to hurt men down the line. More and more young men are not getting any relationship experience so if they become like me and decide later in life they want a relationship with a woman they are going to be hurt by their lack of relationship experience.
Young women nowadays are able to just flat out date more and get far more relationship experience at a younger age compared to men their age. It will make it a lot harder for those men to get back into the dating scene later on and make it more likely they just quit for good.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:28 pm to OceanTiger83
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Online dating and dating apps have destroyed any sense of traditional dating. It's all a meat market and it badly favors women.
Only in America, and in most Western countries .
A (relatively) easy solution that myself and many, many other guys have figured out- becuase dating in America is irretrievably broken- is to spend a few hundred bucks and get ur arse on a plane to places Ike S America, Central America, Asia etc.. for vacation, or even to live… When you arrive in one of those countries, the upper hand, or “The Hand” they referred to it on Seinfeld immediately flips from young, hot women in America- to white, Western guys (even older guys) in other countries .. Why ? Simple supply and demand, and hypergamy… they know that we generally make way more money than most guys in their country, even if we are middle class in America.. plus, since we are white and not Hispanic or Asian, they think we are handsome b/c we look more like what they see on movies /TV.. and they are not nearly as hung up on age as American women who go on incessantly about what is “age appropriate .”
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