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re: Would you support School Choice in your state?
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:44 pm to TriStateAreaFootball
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:44 pm to TriStateAreaFootball
quote:Or they could save money by using the service they're already paying for instead of shelling out $20k for their kindergartener to learn about jesus and triangles
We need tax credits for private school parents!
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:44 pm to Harry Caray
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:45 pm to Harry Caray
quote:
Or they could save money by using the service they're already paying for instead of shelling out $20k for their kindergartener to learn about jesus and triangles
There it is
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:48 pm to Harry Caray
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Charter and private schools and their students will flourish, public schools will only continue to get worse. The rich keep getting richer at the expense of the poor.
Charter schools are public schools.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:48 pm to TriStateAreaFootball
I don't really understand those legends - % change in what? Is that saying there's only been a 2% increase in enrolled students since 2000, while the overall american population increased by over 20%?
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:50 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:Publicly funded, yes. And eligible for these "school choice" vouchers as well.
Charter schools are public schools.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:50 pm to Harry Caray
The want to address something in this thread that honestly confuses me
A lot of you are opposed to school choice on the grounds that “public dollars shouldn’t go to private companies”
However, if the public would prefer an educational system where education funding is attached to the student rather than attached to the schools, shouldn’t the public have a right to institute this system via their elected legislatures?
This really boils down to which vision of k-12 education you favor
1) a vision where the money goes directly to the schools from the govt, and low income families don’t really have a choice besides what their zip code assigns
Or
2) a vision where the govt funds education via parents directly, who then choose the school themselves
There is *nothing* out of the ordinary of “public” funding going to private orgs
Some examples
1) Medicaid
2) Medicare
3) food stamps
4) section 8 housing
All it really boils down to is what Version of govt funding of education you think works best:
A system where the schools are funded directly or a system where parents are given the funds directly to then choose
A lot of you are opposed to school choice on the grounds that “public dollars shouldn’t go to private companies”
However, if the public would prefer an educational system where education funding is attached to the student rather than attached to the schools, shouldn’t the public have a right to institute this system via their elected legislatures?
This really boils down to which vision of k-12 education you favor
1) a vision where the money goes directly to the schools from the govt, and low income families don’t really have a choice besides what their zip code assigns
Or
2) a vision where the govt funds education via parents directly, who then choose the school themselves
There is *nothing* out of the ordinary of “public” funding going to private orgs
Some examples
1) Medicaid
2) Medicare
3) food stamps
4) section 8 housing
All it really boils down to is what Version of govt funding of education you think works best:
A system where the schools are funded directly or a system where parents are given the funds directly to then choose
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:51 pm to TriStateAreaFootball
quote:
As a matter of fact, I'm for the opposite.
If your student is enrolled in a private school, you should get a tax deduction, so that you aren't paying for someone else's child's education in a public institution.
Great way to make society worse than it already is.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:52 pm to Harry Caray
LINK
In the same time span, the quality of American education has plummeted.
quote:
Nationwide since 1950, the number of public school administrative and non-teaching positions has soared 702 percent
In the same time span, the quality of American education has plummeted.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:53 pm to Sterling Archer
It's a handout, so, no. And I don't want to hear how much you pay in taxes to public schools because you don't pay near enough to cover 8k-10k per year for 13 years, for multiple kids.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:53 pm to Harry Caray
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And eligible for these "school choice" vouchers as well.
Eligible how?
Parents don’t pay anything (beyond property taxes) to send their kids to charter schools in texas.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:53 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:55 pm to TriStateAreaFootball
quote:Ok that chart makes a ton more sense
LINK
quote:
Nationwide since 1950, the number of public school administrative and non-teaching positions has soared 702 percent
In the same time span, the quality of American education has plummeted.
I agree that certainly seems to be where a ton of waste is occurring. How could this be mitigated/addressed?
Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:57 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:Not for the student. The charter school receives the voucher and funding for that student (from the state) instead of the equal amount being allocated towards non-charter public school funding. IE the public funds follow the student.
Eligible how?
Parents don’t pay anything (beyond property taxes) to send their kids to charter schools in texas.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:00 pm to Harry Caray
I don’t think that’s how it works.
If so, that would mean every public charter school gets an extra 10k per student every year. It definitely doesn’t work that way.
If so, that would mean every public charter school gets an extra 10k per student every year. It definitely doesn’t work that way.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:02 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:No, that's not how it works for every student in every charter school, just the students that are receiving the vouchers. This is why we're having a whole thread about the vouchers.
If so, that would mean every public charter school gets an extra 10k per student every year. It definitely doesn’t work that way.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:02 pm to Harry Caray
A lot of those countries have their kids in school anywhere from 30-90 days more per year than ours.
It makes a difference.
It makes a difference.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:04 pm to Sterling Archer
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Texas recently passed a school voucher plan that will essentially provide an annual payment of $8 - $10k from the state to the accounts of eligible children to be used for approved education-related expenses like private school tuition, pre-k, tutoring etc.
no frickING way, I pay almost $14k/year in property taxes in Texas , the majority of which goes to the school district, there's your voucher
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:05 pm to Harry Caray
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I agree that certainly seems to be where a ton of waste is occurring. How could this be mitigated/addressed?
Defund the DOE and send all of its allotted funds back to the states. At the local level, fire unneeded administrators and support staff. Use the freed money to raise teacher pay.
At that point you should have a larger pool of teachers to choose from. Fire the bad apples and replace from the better talent pool.
Edit - In no way is it the private schools' burden to bear. I know that
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:07 pm to Sterling Archer
Will my school be forced to accept your low IQ children?
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