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re: Would You Drive This? The most affordable long range EV sold in the US
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:58 pm to Steadyhands
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:58 pm to Steadyhands
quote:Actually 2 people did. Again, you're making shite up. 2 people did, why are you saying no one said that?
Read the thread again. Almost none of this actually happened. No one said it would cost more to charge than the cost of gas.
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Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:59 pm to goofball
I have nothing against electric vehicles, but they’re going to have to keep some gas vehicles around for towing.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:00 pm to member12
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1500 lost to a car spread over 2 years isn't necessarily a waste of money, but only keeping it for 2 years makes it so.
Keeping any new car for only two years is going to give you a bigger hit than keeping it for 7-8 years.
EV’s like Tesla do hold their value very well though.
That poster was talking about having a new vehicle every couple of years. Obviously a two year old vehicle is worth more than one 7-8 years old. If you think you will come out further ahead by purchasing a new vehicle every two years vs keeping the same vehicle that entire time, that's just foolish.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:04 pm to Steadyhands
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Read the thread again. Almost none of this actually happened. No one said it would cost more to charge than the cost of gas
Here you go...
I'd much rather fuel up my car once a week at a fraction of the time. Probably cheaper too, rather than charging something that size every single night from here on out.
How much is a full charge gonna cost me in electricity? People act like electric will save them money
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:05 pm to Rhino5
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I have nothing against electric vehicles, but they’re going to have to keep some gas vehicles around for towing.
Depends on what you are towing. It's not about power, as electric motors have massive amounts of torque for their tiny displacement. It's about what that extra weight does to the range.
The new Cybertruck will tow a very large boat (6-7 tons) from Baton Rouge to False River and back with ease without needing a recharge. No issues there. But an RV trailer for hundreds of miles is going to significantly drop the available range, making it a bigger pain in the arse to recharge and keep going. And I'm pretty sure the Tesla Superchargers aren't set up in parking spaces where a truck and a trailer could fit.
The electric trucks are more of a threat to gasoline pickups that occasionally tow for short or moderate distances (boats, ATVs, motorcycles, etc.). Longer distance towing is already an ideal use case for diesel powered vehicles. It's definitely coming, but I don't think EV's are going to make a dent in that market for a few more years.
On heavier, larger trucks (big rigs) I can see a case where an electric motor is used to get the vehicle up to speed rapidly while a diesel engine keeps it moving on the highway.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:06 pm to shel311
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Actually 2 people did.
2 people. Most people did not say that
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:11 pm to Steadyhands
You said, and I quote:
I showed a post of 2 people saying it and you just admitted 2 people said it, why are you arguing here?
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No one said it would cost more to charge than the cost of gas
I showed a post of 2 people saying it and you just admitted 2 people said it, why are you arguing here?
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:12 pm to Steadyhands
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The biggest issues people had was the lack of use for anything other than commuting due to limited range and lack of infrastructure to charge quickly. Those are real issues to most people, specifically 259 miles and 30 minutes "rapid charge" to get only an additional 100 miles. Your vehicle may do better, but not the one in the op.
The car in the OP is older technology that's become much cheaper. Between it's extended range and autonomous driving tech, it's specifically designed for freeway commuting in major metropolitan areas. It can do other things, but commuting is clearly what its designed to do best.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:13 pm to shel311
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You cannot buy a new vehicle every couple of years and break even. You are probably kidding yourself with only the 2k loss on your current ev after 2 years.
So now your argument is just "I don't think you're right, just cause" I mean, what are you doing right now?
What? My argument is not opinion. Maybe you should buy a new vehicle every year and you will actually make money. Go ahead and save that cash with constantly buying new vehicles.
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In that case you may as well get an EV to try and not lose as much money.
And spend roughly the same out the door as you and your paid off diesel truck, go figure.
Again false. Your constant payments are going to be way more than my additional fuel cost compared to yours. My truck is a 2006, and I will probably have it another 10 years. Guess what also gets cheaper for me and will continue to cost you more... Insurance.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:14 pm to shel311
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Range and Charge time have signification improved, those are facts.
Yes, more batteries and better control software. Read and comprehend next time. I have 2-stage rapid chargers for my DeWalt tools now, better software charging the same old batteries faster.
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Also, Teslas new 4680 battery cells are certainly an upgrade in battery technology compared to where they were 10 years ago.
No they aren't. They are making bigger cells but no significant improvements in energy density. If you don't understand why that's significant then try explaining why the 4680 claims 5x the energy capacity yet only a 16% improvement in range vs the 2170 cells. That range improvement comes from going to a tabless cell design which other EV makers have been using for years, not from an actual improvement in batter chemistry.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:17 pm to Steadyhands
quote:When my car was 8 months old, I was offered $5k more than my purchase price. A buddy of mine sold his for $4k more than it's purchase price in around the same time frame.
Maybe you should buy a new vehicle every year and you will actually make money. Go ahead and save that cash with constantly buying new vehicles
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:17 pm to Cosmo
And you need those pesky electricity generating power plants.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:18 pm to goofball
An EV?
Nope. Never.
Nope. Never.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:20 pm to goofball
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Sorry Texas. If you have this car (or the new Mustang Mach E, Tesla Model 3, or Cybertruck),
The US needs to standardize chargers to let EVs take off. Without standardization it’s going to take 10x longer.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:27 pm to shel311
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I love how pointing out something that is factually incorrect and giving the actual correct information is considered "on a high horse"
Try paying them $20.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:29 pm to tiggerfan02 2021
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And you need those pesky electricity generating power plants.
I'm sure congress is moments from banning them somehow....
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:32 pm to shel311
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Maybe you should buy a new vehicle every year and you will actually make money. Go ahead and save that cash with constantly buying new vehicles
When my car was 8 months old, I was offered $5k more than my purchase price. A buddy of mine sold his for $4k more than it's purchase price in around the same time frame.
That's great, but that's not always going to be the case.
I don't have anything against evs, but they are really only practical for people that rarely do anything but transfer people around to local destinations. That's basically people that live a fairly basic life in/near the city. I know these people exist, but there are a ton of people like me who own a truck out of need. The ev cyber truck would not cut it.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:41 pm to goofball
I'm not reading the whole thread but I'm sure others have already said something similar: as a second vehicle, used for a daily commute of maybe 20-30 miles or less (so you're not plugging it in every night) EVs are fantastic. My brother has the original Bolt, and it's a blast to drive. The instant torque is great for driving on surface streets. They're obviously not for everyone, but for a multi-car family where someone has a modest daily commute, they're great.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:46 pm to goofball
Doesnt work for me since I travel for work but wouldnt mind driving an EV if my circumstancea changed.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:52 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
You know, there's the other issue that isn't being addressed.
Suppose something breaks.
Ok, a whole lot of us can work on our cars, up to and including rebuilding an engine, transmission etc. I'm not in the mood for doing it anymore, but my brothers and I have replaced the heads on a few cars.
Beyond that, there's an established ecosystem of mechanics, from generalized to specialty.
Your car quits running, you have options.
Your EV stops running right, what do you do? Are you completely limited to dealer/factory repair?
One of the things I always judge a vehicle by, is how hard it is to work on it. If it's a PITA, I'm looking elsewhere. Because no matter how great anything is, it's a machine, and it WILL break down. Doesn't matter if it's an electric motor, those go out too.
Suppose something breaks.
Ok, a whole lot of us can work on our cars, up to and including rebuilding an engine, transmission etc. I'm not in the mood for doing it anymore, but my brothers and I have replaced the heads on a few cars.
Beyond that, there's an established ecosystem of mechanics, from generalized to specialty.
Your car quits running, you have options.
Your EV stops running right, what do you do? Are you completely limited to dealer/factory repair?
One of the things I always judge a vehicle by, is how hard it is to work on it. If it's a PITA, I'm looking elsewhere. Because no matter how great anything is, it's a machine, and it WILL break down. Doesn't matter if it's an electric motor, those go out too.
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