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re: Would You Drive This? The most affordable long range EV sold in the US
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:18 pm to Steadyhands
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:18 pm to Steadyhands
quote:So owning a car for 2 years for an out the door true total cost(after resale) of around $1500 is wasting money.
My truck has been paid off for years. The money you will lose when you sell your vehicle will cancel out the money you saved on fuel cost and then some.
Got it, sure thing.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 2:19 pm
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Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:19 pm to shel311
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Nope, much cheaper charging at home. About 4 or 5x cheaper for me.
Not when the base model is 10k more expensive than its petrol opponent.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:21 pm to noonan
quote:That's not at all what you said though, you're changing it now.
Not when the base model is 10k more expensive than its petrol opponent
Also, the base model is cheaper than the avg New car sales price and not $10k more than cars it is competing against, so I'm not sure where you're coming up with that $10k number.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:28 pm to Steadyhands
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why would I buy a new vehicle when the one I have is working fine
My car will be 9 years old in September 2022. It will be time to replace it. There's already some corrosion underneath it from the salt they use on the roads here during winter - that's not getting any better. It has a CVT, which can be very expensive to replace and are not typically repairable.
I'll replace it with a new Cybertruck.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:29 pm to shel311
This 31k car is not competing against your average car.
You are correct, I just assumed that charging a car for 8 hours every night would come out to more than you are claiming. And I'm pretty sure I'm still right about that. But I'm also not spending all the extra money for that cat then paying more at home.
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That's not at all what you said though, you're changing it now.
You are correct, I just assumed that charging a car for 8 hours every night would come out to more than you are claiming. And I'm pretty sure I'm still right about that. But I'm also not spending all the extra money for that cat then paying more at home.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:31 pm to shel311
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My truck has been paid off for years. The money you will lose when you sell your vehicle will cancel out the money you saved on fuel cost and then some.
So owning a car for 2 years for an out the door true total cost(after resale) of around $1500 is wasting money.
Got it, sure thing.
1500 lost to a car spread over 2 years isn't necessarily a waste of money, but only keeping it for 2 years makes it so.
You are in here preaching how your ev is somehow better than a gas burner and cheaper. If you are worried about saving money, you don't buy brand new vehicles, and you definitely don't do it after only 2 years when the one you currently have is apparently so great.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:31 pm to Steadyhands
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My truck has been paid off for years. The money you will lose when you sell your vehicle will cancel out the money you saved on fuel cost and then some.
Your arguments that it is always cheaper to keep your existing vehicle applies to all cars, not just electric cars.
At some point it becomes too worthless to repair. And yes, most people trade their cars in way too early. But not all of us.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:35 pm to noonan
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I just assumed that charging a car for 8 hours every night would come out to more than you are claiming
Why would you fully charge the car in the OP every night?
Very few people drive 260 miles every day and require that much charge. Lately for me that's almost two weeks worth of driving. Pre-Covid, it was about 4-5 days.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:41 pm to bad93ex
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The entire gamble is being predicated on "technology" improving by 2035 that will allow EVs to charge in an acceptable amount of time. That's the first hurdle and then we would need to overcome the strain on the power infrastructure.
This going to be JUST ONE of the '800lb gorilla in the room' obstacles.
We are going to need MILLIONS of new miles of electrical power lines set up all over the place.
Then we are going to run into the old NIMBY that the greenie-weinies are going to cry about.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:44 pm to dewster
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Why would you fully charge the car in the OP every night?
That is a good point. Just figured most people would charge the car when at home either way.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:53 pm to noonan
quote:In fairness I'll backtrack and say, you are correct. But that also assumes that you're driving 259 miles every single day, so therein lies the difference. So you're probably technically correct in what you said, it's just not really the best real world comparison.
I just assumed that charging a car for 8 hours every night would come out to more than you are claiming
Sure, some people may drive that much. But for the average person driving 12-15k or so miles per year, the amount your electricity bill will in crease is mostly an amount you'll barely notice, about $20/month for me.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:54 pm to goofball
quote:Not exactly a mind-bogglingly huge difference from a horse and buggy.
It can charge from 0 to full in about 8 hours at home, and go about 259 miles on a charge (250 if you get the slightly larger version).
quote:Because the ‘public rapid charging network’ is now more ubiquitous than service stations and it also doesn’t rely on fossil-fuel-generated power for electricity?
It can also use public rapid charging network for a much faster charge (100 miles of charge in 30 minutes).
What a bunch of malarkey...
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:55 pm to Steadyhands
quote:That is 100% not what i've done.
You are in here preaching how your ev is somehow better than a gas burner and cheaper.
You can read my posts in this thread, especially early on, I'd say probably nearly every single post i made was to just correct things that were just 100% not correct with regards to EVs in general. I never said they're better than gas vehicles or that they're for everyone. Not at all.
quote:Ok cool. I sure hope you bought the cheapest possible truck and actually have a need for the truck and bought the absolute base model with no bells and whistles, since you want to get really technical about "wasting money"
If you are worried about saving money, you don't buy brand new vehicles, and you definitely don't do it after only 2 years when the one you currently have is apparently so great.
Also, what you're missing is I can buy a Cybertruck, and I'm 99.9999% certain I can keep it for 2 years and do the same exact thing as my current car, and thus coming out spending $2k or less every 2 years total out of pocket for a car. I'd bet you or certainly some others who have trucks that are paid off, and they'd still pay more total out of pocket than I will be despite buying new over a 4 or 6 year span and having 3 different cars. Maybe not less than anyone obviously, but if you have a big truck and drive a good bit, I'd bet you easily spend $2k in gas/maintenance over a 2 year span if you're taking good care of your vehicle.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:55 pm to goofball
Hotel industry gonna be booming when you have to stop every 259 miles for 8 hours to charge up. If its anything like an iPhone battery (or any other electronic) then its probably more like 150 miles.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:55 pm to shel311
quote:
fairness I'll backtrack and say, you are correct. But that also assumes that you're trying 259 miles every single day, so therein lies the difference. So you're probably technically correct in what you said, it's just not really the best real world comparison
Yeah, I wasn't thinking right when I thought that anyways. Just the way it was worded in the OP threw me off I guess.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:58 pm to dewster
quote:His main/first argument, while not really having anything to do with the topic, was that I was wasting money because in his words "most people" buy new vehicles only when it's absolutely necessary, and that is obviously very, very false.
At some point it becomes too worthless to repair. And yes, most people trade their cars in way too early. But not all of us.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:00 pm to jimbeam
It’s been 20 years and the technology is still shite
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:00 pm to goofball
Only 259 miles? Pass
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:01 pm to dewster
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Your arguments that it is always cheaper to keep your existing vehicle applies to all cars, not just electric cars.
At some point it becomes too worthless to repair. And yes, most people trade their cars in way too early. But not all of us.
I agree. Schel is in here on a high horse about how his/her ev is cheaper and saving a bunch on fuel cost. That argument is null and void with a new vehicle purchase after only two years.
For almost everyone that this vehicle would be suitable for, the gain in fuel efficiency/money saving of an EV will likely not be more than the loss of money to a new vehicle today vs waiting until they actually need a new vehicle.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:02 pm to SabiDojo
quote:The advancements in just the last 10 years have been pretty darn amazing.
It’s been 20 years and the technology is still shite
From the original range to the range we see nowadays. From actually taking 1-1.5 hours to charge to now 15 minute to get you on your way, there's been huge advancements.
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