re: Would the Allies have won WWII without America getting involved?

I was just pointing out that you were being ridiculous over semantics... but I realized I would be wasting my time

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You totally fricked up page 2 for us

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It's absolutely astonishing the the difference one page of a thread can make as far as post quality goes. Unbelievable.

No.

The idea we were the savior is a bit of propaganda. No do but we hastened the victory over hitler and of course japan with the nukes. But the English and the Russians were equal partners in Europe which is why we gave Stalin so much. WWII is a such historical time for the us not because we were so dominant war wise, but because we were not destroyers by bombing so we became the world economic power. We were lucky. We were and are not some superior people or political system.

I think Europe is split in two between Russians and Germans.

Britain remains under threat for decades and eventually is defeated. Japan controls Eastern Asia. Parts of China are lost to Japan including Hong Kong as an ongoing war over land continues up until the present day.

Eventually, Germany and Russia cannot play nice anymore and another war breaks out. Nuclear technology could have fallen into either countries hands at this point.

No way Europe stops Hitler without the help of the US.

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When I was a kid, I was under the impression we won the war alone

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This is not correct.

Before the U.S. jumped in, the Soviets were already marching westward against Germany. Even after the U.S. joined in, the Soviets still got to Berlin first. The main thing American involvement did was keep the Soviets from taking over Western Europe in the process.

As for the Pacific front, Japan was getting bogged down in China much like Germany was bogged down in the USSR. In fact, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was an act of desperation to buy time, due to them running low on oil supplies. Eventually, China would have driven Japan out and taken over the rest of Japanese-occupied Asia. The main American accomplishment in this theater was keeping the Chinese from taking over all of that land after kicking the Japan out.

For what it's worth, since the European theater fighting ended first, the Soviets then got involved in this theater too and began taking over northern China from the Japanese. Ultimately, U.S. involvement here also limited Soviet expansion.

Yes, they would. Britain by themselves would have worn down Germany. The Soviet Union would have wrecked shite like they did. I'm assuming the US wouldn't have gotten involved if Japan hadn't attacked, so we're assuming Japan didn't, so no attack on them would have been necessary.

The Russian rope-a-dope would have eventually worn Germany down but the sheer bodycount would have likely left the USSR too weakened to dominate Central and Eastern Europe for 45 years. And a protracted war could very well have allowed one or both sides to split the atom. and depopulate Europe.