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re: Women gets full body MRI.. Discovers she has non-ruptured aneurysm

Posted on 3/20/25 at 8:55 pm to
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29562 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 8:55 pm to
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It actually should be. I've mentioned to my doctor if I should have some kind of full body scan. As I've aged, I have issues everywhere But he hasn't thought it necessary, but my dad died of a heart attack at my current age, so I do wonder how many of us have an issue that could be found and fixed before it takes our life.

An MRI isn’t going to modify your cardiac risk factors though.
Posted by LSUtwolves
Member since Jun 2016
1100 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 8:59 pm to
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An MRI isn’t going to modify your cardiac risk factors though.



Can get a screening ct for coronary artery atherosclerosis that predicts risk of heart attack though

And if high enough they’ll do stenting or even bypass to prevent an MI
Posted by salty1
Member since Jun 2015
5086 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 9:17 pm to
Wonder how much a full body MRI would set me back?
Posted by ChuckM
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2006
1704 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 9:53 pm to
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CT scan of my heart


Calcium score. Primary scheduled one for me, found an aortic aneurysm and a bicuspid valve. Both replaced before rupture, also a bypass because of the high calcium score.

Everyone should get one if you have heart trouble or circulatory issues in the family.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52605 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 10:29 pm to
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Anyone here get this done? I've been considering some elective medical tests but hard to know whats worth paying for.

I’ve been getting CT scans done for about ten years. You don’t want to do them too often because of radiation doses. There is a lot of debate about whether these are useful. The negative is that this woman probably would have died of old age if this had been undiscovered, but instead she ran the risk of dying from complications of surgery. The risks have to be balanced. Doctors will err on the side of encouraging patients to take action, even if the action has larger risks than the diagnosed condition.

If you are over 40 I suggest you get a CT scan and a CT Angiogram. You’ll be out about $5,000. You should do these periodically depending on the findings. I suggest a CT scan every 10 years. The CT Angiogram is by far the best way to detect heart and circulatory problems. If it shows you are golden then you can probably wait ten years to do it again.
This post was edited on 3/20/25 at 10:30 pm
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
Member since Oct 2007
16409 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 10:45 pm to
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Annual full body MRIs for anyone over 40 is going to become the norm eventually.


Will insurance even pay for a full body MRI? If health insurance companies really cared about your health (which I know they don't), I always thought an annual full body MRI should be covered as part of your annual wellness physical. To me, that just makes sense.
Posted by Haystack
Member since Nov 2011
1048 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:57 pm to
Yeah it was diagnostic. I was getting symptoms of exercise induced compartment syndrome. Ortho said it was overuse due to my running. Ortho asked me if I wanted to see the back specialist. Thought maybe the pain was sciatica. I brought my old mri scans and he said let's get a new one. That led to a laminectomy & tumor removal. At any point before finding I could have just tried to deal with it. I had been struggling with my runs but what else is knew. Full scan sounds like a great idea.
Posted by SimonSlick
Member since Oct 2007
3877 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 3:29 am to
You can fly to turkey for a comprehensive check up, including cardiology, endocrinology, urology, cancer screening, lab work, xrays and CT scans, MRI, etc, depending on the package. Most are less than $1k. My flight there was another $1k last time I went (for a different procedure). It's not a bad deal.
Posted by RebelSquared
Member since Oct 2024
132 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 5:19 am to
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I just found a sample mri report from the whole body mri company.

It’s AI bullshite and the majority of the report is just disclaimers.

It’s a worthless study.

I’m a radiologist and use AI as a tool but it’s nowhere close to being of any use.

They can cherry pick the few crazy cases that made a difference, but this is pseudoscience.


I figured as much.

Another thing people don't realize is that there are differences in quality between imaging centers, equipment, and the radiologists themselves, even between hospitals, never mind free standing imaging centers.

I get why people think this is a good idea but you, mrspock and my medicalgrind have provided lots of excellent firsthand professional experience about why it is not.

Posted by iglass
North Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
3099 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 7:44 am to
This happened to me... sort of.

In May 2016, I started coughing on a work trip and ended up at an urgent care facility. I was diagnosed with pneumonia. I was hurting all over - chest, back, body aches, you name it. I just figured I had the super flu, right?

Made it through the week and flew back home on Saturday. Sunday morning I was hurting all over bad enough that my wife insisted that I go to the emergency room. They performed a chest MRI on me, maybe a CT scan, I wasn't too lucid at the time.

The doc came in and said "There's good news and bad news. The good news is that your pneumonia is starting to clear up. The bad news is that you'll be coughing for a while (took two months to clear that cough up). "

"And additionally, we see that you have gall stones and a 12mm kidney stone. Those are why you've been hurting. And finally, you have an ascending aortic aneurysm, we have scheduled a visit for you with a cardiologist on Monday morning at 8 AM. Do not miss this appointment."

I ultimately found out that I have a bicuspid valve heart defect. My valve was working but the flow dynamics meant that a jet squirt of blood had been pounding my aortic wall instead of a nice even flow. The shape of my aorta right above my heart looked like an upside down light bulb. I was measuring 5.2 sm at that time, and in December when I had my surgery, measured 5.5 cm. They told me that at over 6.0 cm, you have a 20% chance every DAY of a rupture. Normal measurements for a man my age and body size is normally 2.5-3.5 cm.

I haven't done anything about my gall stones, but had a lithotripsy for the kidney stone (I have had many of those, I am a kidney stone factory). And had a valve sparing root replacement in December of that year at NY Presbyterian hospital, that procedure (the David procedure) is not something they did at UAB at the time, or even Emory or Vandy. The guy I used at NYP had performed this surgery over 200 times in 2016 when I saw him in late September on a visit.

I spent most of December 2016 living in a hotel in upper Manhattan, and now I have a five inch section of polyester tubing sewn to the top of my heart - they were able to save my aortic valve. My chest x-rays show 5 titanium plates, two stainless steel wires, two medical grade cable ties, and 26 titanium screws. But, they tell me that this is a lifetime fix, and I have had no problems with my heart at all since then.

The heart doctor told me that I flat out would not have made it through the spring. The insidious part is that the aneurysm is totally asymptomatic. It causes no pain or symptoms until it blows out (called a dissection). There is a 98.5% mortality rate if that happens. For those of you old enough to remember, this is what killed Lucille Ball and John Ritter. Alabama fans may remember that this was also a problem for Freddie Kitchens, but he ended up having surgery as I did.

Sorry for the long post - but there's no question that a chest scan for another problem I was having... ultimately saved my life. Highly recommended that you try to get one once you turn 50, just like a colonoscopy.
This post was edited on 3/21/25 at 8:00 am
Posted by Stumpknocker
SWLA
Member since Mar 2021
793 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 9:25 am to
Us boomers should get this free, once a year.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
5411 posts
Posted on 3/22/25 at 9:08 am to
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If you are over 40 I suggest you get a CT scan and a CT Angiogram.


The CT Angiogram is the preferred method cardiologist use to assess heart issues.

LINK

LINK

There is a new method of scanning for heart issues, the Cleerly heart scan analysis. It uses AI tech to look for heart issues.

LINK

As far as the subject matter of the OP, how effective is 'full body MRI' in spotting diseases and other issues? IDK

The MRI has certain advantages over a CT scan and vice-versa.
Sometimes, a basic X-Ray is all that is needed to check for certain issues.

CTs and MRIs use different technologies to show different things — neither is necessarily ’better’ than the other

CTvsMRI

A good comprehensive blood test can alert your doctor to potential health issues.
Things like hemoglobin, A1C, homocysteine's, PSAs, C-reactive proteins levels...can alert your Doc to lots of potential health issues.

Is a 'virtual colonoscopy' superior to a standard colonoscopy? IDK. That's still being debated by Gastroenterologists.

MRI's are used to look for prostate cancers. I get my PSAs, the ole finger test and a basic X-Ray yearly to check for prostate issues. An MRI is useless in my case because I have a hernia mesh implant in my lower left groin.

BTW, I am not a medical professional. I am trying to learn about all this stuff because ole father time is catching up with me.

Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52605 posts
Posted on 3/22/25 at 9:47 am to
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BTW, I am not a medical professional. I am trying to learn about all this stuff because ole father time is catching up with me.

Me too!

I read a book that I recommend for anyone with similar interests; it is Peter Attia’s Outlive.
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2764 posts
Posted on 3/22/25 at 10:40 am to
My wife and I are part of an "executive physical" program via my employer.

Every year we get a full physical. Some years it's a calcium scan, some years it's a MRI of the torso. She had one a few years ago and one again last year. They found an aortic aneurysm doing these scans. It's not big enough for surgery yet but we are watching it closely.

I know several folks personally who have had their lives saved by doing these preventive type exams.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
5411 posts
Posted on 3/23/25 at 1:35 pm to
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Peter Attia’s Outlive


I will check this out.

I have been following Dr Mark Hyman's advice for years. He basically teaches good diet and exercise along with testing.
He has taken a lot of heat over the years for advocating against the SAD diet, aka the Standard American Diet.

I also read a lot of Dr. Arthur Agatston works, world renowned cardiologist who developed the famous South Beach Diet and along with another pioneering cardiologist, Dr.Warren Janowitz, developed the CACS(Coronary Artery Calcium Scoring).
Its a method that has been used by cardiologist for over 30 years for early detection of heart issues.
The CACS is now being replaced by The Cleerly method which uses AI to detect potential heart issues.

Prevention rather than 'intervention' is the key to long, healthy life.

Posted by Lou Loomis
A pond. Ponds good for you.
Member since Mar 2025
1289 posts
Posted on 3/23/25 at 2:56 pm to
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Blackburn details in a now-viral TikTok her decision to take a big leap concerning her own healt


And there you have it…even the most private things like your health take a back seat to views on Tik Tok with these idiots. These morons have no shame or self respect. They would eat white dog shite off the ground if it got Tik Tok views. China is laughing at us right now because of these pathetic kids.
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10871 posts
Posted on 3/23/25 at 3:21 pm to
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Will insurance even pay for a full body MRI? If health insurance companies really cared about your health (which I know they don't), I always thought an annual full body MRI should be covered as part of your annual wellness physical. To me, that just makes sense.


Absolutely agree. At the very least, if you pay for it out of pocket, a clean MRI should entitle you to a considerable discount on your health insurance premium just like hurricane shutters, alarms and smoke detectors do on your house. Believe it or not, some of the underwriting factors for a HO policy is how close you live to a fire department and a fire hydrant. Everything revolves around risk. A full body MRI can also reveal conditions before they worsen and lead to expensive long-term treatment.
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