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re: Wisconsin police release deadly shooting of police and paramedics trying to help a man
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:16 am to EarlyCuyler3
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:16 am to EarlyCuyler3
quote:Uh, yes.
So did the smoker that has lung cancer. So did the diabetic that continues to eat garbage. So did the dialysis patient that wouldn't take his HTN medications?
Let's just cut them off too, right?
If they want to pay for treatments for themselves then fine.
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:17 am to lsuguy13
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at some point I crossed over to where it wasn’t a choice anymore. There’s an obsession that comes along with addiction and once that kicks in, good luck stopping it.
I have no sympathy at this point. You got yourself in this mess, get out of it or face the consequences.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:17 am to ReauxlTide222
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And at one point in my life 7 beers would get me hammered. Then 10. Then 12. Then I realized I need to lay off the alcohol because I see a pattern starting and I’m aware that this can happen to people. So I pulled WAY back on my alcohol consumption.
Absolutely agree with you. Addicts and alcoholics make choices which lead to addiction. It's a personality flaw as much as anything else
However, once addicted it's a serious mental illness that is almost impossible to treat by just stopping, though that's how I became sober.
There is a huge difference between addict and recreational use
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
There is a huge difference between addict and recreational use
Yeah and your tolerance increasing doesn't make you an addict.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:20 am to lsuguy13
quote:I understand and agree with all you said. But you can't become an drug addict by not doing drugs. Plain and simple.
So for an addict they do have a choice to start in most cases. When I drank for the first time I chose to do that. Same with smoking weed, coke, popping pills etc. at some point I crossed over to where it wasn’t a choice anymore. There’s an obsession that comes along with addiction and once that kicks in, good luck stopping it.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:20 am to Bedhog
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I have no sympathy at this point
Surely you don’t believe that this standpoint is OBJECTIVELY the correct one, right?
It’s your opinion, and I can see the reasons for it, but there’s nothing to say that it should be the default position society takes towards addicts.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:22 am to uway
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You can’t just turn off the cancer once you have it, no matter what caused it.
You can't turn off addiction either. You can only arrest it.
People love to use the cancer stick to try and win the debate. There are many types of diseases. Many preventable, many not. We all die of some disease eventually.
People get hung up on the idea that if addiction is equal to a disease this somehow invalidates the personal responsibility that the person has for recovering. It couldn't be further from the truth. It really means that person is 100% responsible for getting better.
It's terrible when stuff like this happens. Those cops and EMS guys were just trying to help the guy out. And they got screwed in the process. The solution is not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Addiction is exploding, like it or not. And it's exploding whether it's a disease or not. The disease concept allows a path for treatment. The old corporal punishment method does not. I'll take a 10% chance with a disease concept than a 0% chance with their alternative. And it's not even as if they have a valid alternative.
In spite of the overwhelming evidence, they continue to postulate "the addict should just stop and is choosing to do this." I fail to see a solution there. If there was a solution there, this discussion wouldn't be occurring, would it?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:22 am to Bedhog
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have no sympathy at this point. You got yourself in this mess, get out of it or face the consequences.
I’m just trying to explain what it’s like. A “normie” wouldn’t understand.
I have an allergy when I put drugs and alcohol in my body. I go to jail, get in fights, and don’t stop using.
Eventually i
Got tired of this way of life but it was hell on earth for me for about 6 years.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:23 am to uway
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Addiction is not deadly
Of course it is
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:23 am to EarlyCuyler3
quote:I bet you I could become one if I tried hard enough.
So congrats, you're not an addict?
But I had/have goals, I’m self aware, and I constantly think about cause and effect in my life.
That seems like a pretty solid way to beat the disease.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:24 am to CarRamrod
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I understand and agree with all you said. But you can't become an drug addict by not doing drugs. Plain and simple.
That's why it's a multi-factorial issue. It will often come out in other ways, but you're right and that's beside the point.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:26 am to ReauxlTide222
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That seems like a pretty solid way to beat the disease.
No, that seems like a decent way to plan a life. I don't see how that helps beat a disease in the slightest.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:27 am to Ed Osteen
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Of course it is
It’s only deadly because of the behavior it leads to. Behavior is modifiable, so no, addiction is not deadly in and of itself in the way cancer is.
I’m not saying addiction can’t be technically termed a disease. Im saying it’s not like cancer, because in an extremely important way, it’s not. Objectively, it’s not.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:27 am to ReauxlTide222
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I bet you I could become one if I tried hard enough.
But I had/have goals, I’m self aware, and I constantly think about cause and effect in my life.
That seems like a pretty solid way to beat the disease.
You and I agree. I like pain pills but refuse to take them when prescribed. Why can't others?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:35 am to EarlyCuyler3
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The disease concept allows a path for treatment. The old corporal punishment method does not. I'll take a 10% chance with a disease concept than a 0% chance with their alternative. And it's not even as if they have a valid alternative.
The question is whether the disease concept does more harm or more good.
I think it’s logically undeniable that calling it a disease could negatively affect the addict’s belief in their own ability to fight it.
Ideally, the resources available for treatment wouldn’t be based on semantics.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:37 am to Ed Osteen
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I'm a recovering addict.
You not being able to control yourself from using drugs or alcohol isn't a 'disease'. Ebola is a disease. HIV/AIDS is a disease. Hepatitis A is a disease.
You not being able to have the self control to use a substance isn't a 'disease'. It is poor choices and poor personal responsibility. The 'disease' excuse is just to make you feel better about yourslef. It is a lie.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:38 am to uway
but calling it a disease allows for a greater discussion, path to treatment IMO. A lot of people today hide their problems / struggles even more so than those struggling with depression and that kind of thing.
Gives people greater freedom to admit their struggles / disease / whatever you want to call it and seek a path to recovery. At least IMO
Gives people greater freedom to admit their struggles / disease / whatever you want to call it and seek a path to recovery. At least IMO
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Addicts and alcoholics make choices which lead to addiction. It's a personality flaw as much as anything else
For sure, all 4 of my grandparents were alcoholics and it killed 2 of them. I will never blame anyone for me being an alcoholic but I was drinking at an early age without any real repercussions. Being a daily drinker wasn’t some overnight decision, it was an extremely slow progression. I didn’t just wake up one day and randomly decide a need some vodka with my eggs
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 11:41 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:40 am to EarlyCuyler3
I hear you on all of that.
Question..
Odds tell me that some folks don’t have the disease and just like drugs so much that they do them for a long time and then die(or don’t die, I guess). These folks just do shite tons of drugs and love them.
If they said they have the disease would they be wrong? Is it possible to be born without the disease and develop it later(without doing drugs)?
Some drugs themselves are addicting. So non disease carrying people can become addicted to them, no? So it’s not just about genetics?
Question..
Odds tell me that some folks don’t have the disease and just like drugs so much that they do them for a long time and then die(or don’t die, I guess). These folks just do shite tons of drugs and love them.
If they said they have the disease would they be wrong? Is it possible to be born without the disease and develop it later(without doing drugs)?
Some drugs themselves are addicting. So non disease carrying people can become addicted to them, no? So it’s not just about genetics?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:41 am to Bedhog
As a medic I thought this could have been a good thread with good discussions about what medics and police deal with regarding these situations, and how awful it is seeing people overdosed like that. But damn, y’all been butchering the shite out of this thread
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