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Win for ex-Grubhub driver in pending trial may profoundly impact “gig economy”
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:34 pm
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SAN FRANCISCO—Next month, a federal judge is set to answer a basic question at trial: should a "gig economy" worker be properly classified as an employee? If so, should his work-related expenses be reimbursed, such as mileage?
"This is the first case in California as to how the gig economy works," US Magistrate Judge Jacqueline Corley said during the Thursday hearing, likely the last hearing before the September 5 bench trial, which is expected to last about a week. Most of the hearing was taken up establishing procedural ground rules and wrapping up loose threads about witness availability, among other items.
This lawsuit just might provide an answer. If Grubhub must treat its drivers as employees, the employees would be entitled to all kinds of benefits, including unemployment, insurance, and reimbursement for various expenses, like gas and employee phone bills. In short, treating workers as employees could cost companies like Grubhub millions of dollars.
The case, known as Lawson v. Grubhub, which was first filed back in 2015, is one of a slew of ongoing cases filed against so-called "gig economy" firms. During the Thursday hearing, the judge said that she had only recently understood that, in this context, "gig" simply was slang for "job" or work. She seemingly was under the impression that it was related to the tech prefix "giga."
For now, cases brought against companies like Uber, Lyft, Handy, Homejoy, and others haven't yet answered the thorny labor question. Either the cases have settled or they haven't progressed far enough.
"This trial is a milestone because similar cases have settled or been dismissed," Michael LeRoy, a labor law professor at the University of Illinois, e-mailed Ars. "When cases settle, the wage-and-hour laws are not applied and interpreted by courts—and therefore, it's hard to say for sure how the law is adapting to the rapid changes in gig work."
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Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:37 pm to Street Hawk
"Independent contractor"
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:43 pm to Street Hawk
What the hell is gig work? Sounds like part time shite that was never meant provide full time income.
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:43 pm to Navajo61490
So the judge rules in favor of providing the same employee benefits to contractors, the businesses that run on these models (cough* Uber) are no longer profitable and shut down,and these people now no longer have any job. Great, got it.
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:01 pm to shotcaller1
It is what we called lazy back in the day. Work just enough to pay a bill or two and buy beer.
This post was edited on 8/24/17 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:06 pm to Street Hawk
Don't these idiots (the same goes for minimum wage folks) realize that they won't have jobs if these laws pass?
And they ruin it for everybody also. frick man, if you want a job with salary, benefits, and retirement go apply for one.
And they ruin it for everybody also. frick man, if you want a job with salary, benefits, and retirement go apply for one.
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:07 pm to Street Hawk
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During the Thursday hearing, the judge said that she had only recently understood that, in this context, "gig" simply was slang for "job" or work. She seemingly was under the impression that it was related to the tech prefix "giga."
Well this will be interesting. I have a feeling this trial might be like explaining the cloud to my grandmother.
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:09 pm to Navajo61490
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"Independent contractor"
Thats what it sounds like. GrubHub isn't requiring the driver to work a set schedule, work is done away from company property, and driver doesn't have to accept every gig. Sounds exactly like a 1099 independent contractor to me
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:11 pm to Street Hawk
Unions and competitors stirring it up.
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:12 pm to junkfunky
This entire business model falls apart if cases like these force companies to treat them as employees.
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:17 pm to Street Hawk
The only thing I could agree with is maybe a small amount for miles driven.
Also, if you call them independent contractors, do they then have the rights to negotiate the terms of a contract? This is a huge gray area to me. If they are employees, then the business model will fail. If they a idependant contractors, then I would assume the business model couldn't work as it's currently priced.
Also, if you call them independent contractors, do they then have the rights to negotiate the terms of a contract? This is a huge gray area to me. If they are employees, then the business model will fail. If they a idependant contractors, then I would assume the business model couldn't work as it's currently priced.
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:20 pm to Street Hawk
The ultimate employer of independent contractors:


This post was edited on 8/24/17 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:26 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Sounds exactly like a 1099 independent contractor to me
Yeah, but even 1099s aren't as removed from employee status as people like to think. You don't have to pay for their benefits, but if they're injured they can sue you essentially like you or your company are their work comp. Sure, your liability insurance carrier will pick that up unless the policy has a hammer clause (rare outside of NY), but your rates will shoot up if you don't just get dropped and left to search for new more expensive coverage with an action-over claim on your loss runs.
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:39 pm to Ric Flair
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The ultimate employer of independent contractors:
(I feel bad fixing a Ric Flair rassling post)
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:41 pm to Street Hawk
Boil all this down for me and explain the most important concern-
What is this going to do to the strip clubs?
What is this going to do to the strip clubs?
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:12 am to SlapahoeTribe
What is the rule for the strippers at Ricks?
They set their own hours, they go home (with whomever) when they want, provide their own work materials.
Sounds like an attorney or real estate agent to me.
They set their own hours, they go home (with whomever) when they want, provide their own work materials.
Sounds like an attorney or real estate agent to me.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 7:44 am to junkfunky
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might be like explaining the cloud to my grandmother.
Explaining the cloud is easy.
The cloud - somebody elses computer.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 8:12 am to shotcaller1
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was never meant provide full time income
that's all fine and dandy but when there aren't enough full time jobs to go around this what you get
Posted on 8/25/17 at 8:22 am to Monday
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The only thing I could agree with is maybe a small amount for miles driven.
That's not how contracting works. Mileage is traditionally reserved for miles an employee wouldn't have driven, normally, but does so on behalf of the employer.
When I function as a contractor, I'm completing a task for you and we agree to pay for that completed task at $X. I have to pay the mileage or however I get the job done out of that $X. Now, I can deduct the mileage out of my gross income, because the IRS says I can.
Obviously, there are exceptions - I mean, we can negotiate and you agree to pay me $0.25 a mile for up to 50 miles per day. But, that's a negotiation - not a lawsuit to force you to pay me mileage because I'm an employee. That's not how any of this works.
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 8:23 am
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