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Win for ex-Grubhub driver in pending trial may profoundly impact “gig economy”

Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:34 pm
Posted by Street Hawk
Member since Nov 2014
3658 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:34 pm
quote:

SAN FRANCISCO—Next month, a federal judge is set to answer a basic question at trial: should a "gig economy" worker be properly classified as an employee? If so, should his work-related expenses be reimbursed, such as mileage?

"This is the first case in California as to how the gig economy works," US Magistrate Judge Jacqueline Corley said during the Thursday hearing, likely the last hearing before the September 5 bench trial, which is expected to last about a week. Most of the hearing was taken up establishing procedural ground rules and wrapping up loose threads about witness availability, among other items.

This lawsuit just might provide an answer. If Grubhub must treat its drivers as employees, the employees would be entitled to all kinds of benefits, including unemployment, insurance, and reimbursement for various expenses, like gas and employee phone bills. In short, treating workers as employees could cost companies like Grubhub millions of dollars.

The case, known as Lawson v. Grubhub, which was first filed back in 2015, is one of a slew of ongoing cases filed against so-called "gig economy" firms. During the Thursday hearing, the judge said that she had only recently understood that, in this context, "gig" simply was slang for "job" or work. She seemingly was under the impression that it was related to the tech prefix "giga."

For now, cases brought against companies like Uber, Lyft, Handy, Homejoy, and others haven't yet answered the thorny labor question. Either the cases have settled or they haven't progressed far enough.

"This trial is a milestone because similar cases have settled or been dismissed," Michael LeRoy, a labor law professor at the University of Illinois, e-mailed Ars. "When cases settle, the wage-and-hour laws are not applied and interpreted by courts—and therefore, it's hard to say for sure how the law is adapting to the rapid changes in gig work."


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Posted by Navajo61490
Baton rouge
Member since Dec 2011
6888 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:37 pm to
"Independent contractor"
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
7501 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:43 pm to
What the hell is gig work? Sounds like part time shite that was never meant provide full time income.
Posted by lilsnappa
The Lu
Member since Mar 2006
1894 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:43 pm to
So the judge rules in favor of providing the same employee benefits to contractors, the businesses that run on these models (cough* Uber) are no longer profitable and shut down,and these people now no longer have any job. Great, got it.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45425 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:01 pm to
It is what we called lazy back in the day. Work just enough to pay a bill or two and buy beer.
This post was edited on 8/24/17 at 9:07 pm
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
17102 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:06 pm to
Don't these idiots (the same goes for minimum wage folks) realize that they won't have jobs if these laws pass?

And they ruin it for everybody also. frick man, if you want a job with salary, benefits, and retirement go apply for one.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
36665 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:07 pm to
quote:

During the Thursday hearing, the judge said that she had only recently understood that, in this context, "gig" simply was slang for "job" or work. She seemingly was under the impression that it was related to the tech prefix "giga." 

Well this will be interesting. I have a feeling this trial might be like explaining the cloud to my grandmother.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
26338 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:09 pm to
quote:

"Independent contractor"


Thats what it sounds like. GrubHub isn't requiring the driver to work a set schedule, work is done away from company property, and driver doesn't have to accept every gig. Sounds exactly like a 1099 independent contractor to me
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
26234 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:11 pm to
Unions and competitors stirring it up.

Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25337 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:12 pm to
This entire business model falls apart if cases like these force companies to treat them as employees.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
69243 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:13 pm to
The 9th circuit DGAF
Posted by Monday
Prairieville
Member since Mar 2013
5257 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:17 pm to
The only thing I could agree with is maybe a small amount for miles driven.

Also, if you call them independent contractors, do they then have the rights to negotiate the terms of a contract? This is a huge gray area to me. If they are employees, then the business model will fail. If they a idependant contractors, then I would assume the business model couldn't work as it's currently priced.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13879 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:20 pm to
The ultimate employer of independent contractors:

This post was edited on 8/24/17 at 9:21 pm
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:26 pm to
quote:

Sounds exactly like a 1099 independent contractor to me


Yeah, but even 1099s aren't as removed from employee status as people like to think. You don't have to pay for their benefits, but if they're injured they can sue you essentially like you or your company are their work comp. Sure, your liability insurance carrier will pick that up unless the policy has a hammer clause (rare outside of NY), but your rates will shoot up if you don't just get dropped and left to search for new more expensive coverage with an action-over claim on your loss runs.
Posted by Raylan70
The Holler
Member since Aug 2017
551 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:39 pm to
quote:

The ultimate employer of independent contractors:





(I feel bad fixing a Ric Flair rassling post)
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12722 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:41 pm to
Boil all this down for me and explain the most important concern-

What is this going to do to the strip clubs?
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 12:12 am to
What is the rule for the strippers at Ricks?

They set their own hours, they go home (with whomever) when they want, provide their own work materials.

Sounds like an attorney or real estate agent to me.
Posted by chryso
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
13982 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 7:44 am to
quote:

might be like explaining the cloud to my grandmother.


Explaining the cloud is easy.
The cloud - somebody elses computer.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 8:12 am to
quote:

was never meant provide full time income


that's all fine and dandy but when there aren't enough full time jobs to go around this what you get
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96254 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 8:22 am to
quote:

The only thing I could agree with is maybe a small amount for miles driven.


That's not how contracting works. Mileage is traditionally reserved for miles an employee wouldn't have driven, normally, but does so on behalf of the employer.

When I function as a contractor, I'm completing a task for you and we agree to pay for that completed task at $X. I have to pay the mileage or however I get the job done out of that $X. Now, I can deduct the mileage out of my gross income, because the IRS says I can.

Obviously, there are exceptions - I mean, we can negotiate and you agree to pay me $0.25 a mile for up to 50 miles per day. But, that's a negotiation - not a lawsuit to force you to pay me mileage because I'm an employee. That's not how any of this works.
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 8:23 am
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