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re: Will this century see a return to the suburbs?
Posted on 6/7/20 at 2:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 6/7/20 at 2:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
You exact quote:
I provide a concrete example of how you’re emphatically wrong, and you call it an anecdote. Rule one of debate: don’t use words or phrases like “never,” “only,” etc. because there are always going to be exceptions to prove you ignorant. It’s a terrible look to be wrong, be proven wrong, and continue to dig in your heels.
Just admit you were overly broad in your original statement. It happens. Lord knows I’ve done it.
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Unless you wrk in a job that requires constant supervision, there's really no need for an office to visit during working hours.
I provide a concrete example of how you’re emphatically wrong, and you call it an anecdote. Rule one of debate: don’t use words or phrases like “never,” “only,” etc. because there are always going to be exceptions to prove you ignorant. It’s a terrible look to be wrong, be proven wrong, and continue to dig in your heels.
Just admit you were overly broad in your original statement. It happens. Lord knows I’ve done it.
This post was edited on 6/7/20 at 3:02 pm
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Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:00 pm to AbitaFan08
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I provide a concrete example of how you’re emphatically wrong
Im sorry you require constant supervision.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I’m sorry you can’t just admit you made a mistake.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:04 pm to AbitaFan08
Yes, your little company is the exact model most of the world has to use.
See? It wasn't hard to admit wrong.
See? It wasn't hard to admit wrong.
This post was edited on 6/7/20 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
how often do you have meetings and lunches with MDs, EVPs, or clients? what about vendors and PMs?
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
First, It’s funny that you think you have my employer pegged. And also a weird insult - because it’s implied that working for a small company is a negative thing. I would disagree. But I digress.
Second, I never said most of the world has to work in person. Thankfully, this thread serves the same purpose as a stenographer. Feel free to go back and read what I’ve already written.
You made a dumb and over broad statement, I made you look foolish, and now you’re grasping at straws. I would say you’re better than this, but I don’t know you and would hate to assume.
Second, I never said most of the world has to work in person. Thankfully, this thread serves the same purpose as a stenographer. Feel free to go back and read what I’ve already written.
You made a dumb and over broad statement, I made you look foolish, and now you’re grasping at straws. I would say you’re better than this, but I don’t know you and would hate to assume.
This post was edited on 6/7/20 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:09 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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how often do you have meetings and lunches with MDs, EVPs, or clients?
You realize the world is moving to virtual communications?
And hoss, I'm not treating clients to meals in my office.
Telecommuting, shared workspace, virtual meetings are all the future of business. The need for office space will decline at some point.
Now that isn't saying you'll need no offices, just fewer people required to use them.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:13 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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how often do you have meetings and lunches with MDs, EVPs, or clients? what about vendors and PMs?
I'm an accountant and our clients are predominately businesses. I'm just envisioning having the Board of Directors over at my house and clearing off the dining room table for our meeting while an 18-wheeler sits out front filled to the brim with Bankers Boxes of files.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:16 pm to GentleJackJones
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I'm just envisioning having the Board of Directors over at my house and clearing off the dining room table for our meeting while an 18-wheeler sits out front filled to the brim with Bankers Boxes of files
Who says this meeting has to occur in an office?
Shared workspaces and facilities are also on the uptick.
Business is becoming decentralized in terms of communications.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Shared workspaces and facilities are also on the uptick.
Which is why WeWork is about to declare bankruptcy. Because they have been so successful.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:21 pm to AbitaFan08
Shared workspaces have increased over 200% in the last 5-6 years.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
As someone who had to endure a shared workspace for a month prior to the pandemic, I would be shocked if the model in its current state persists.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:26 pm to AbitaFan08
established banks, law firms, engineering firms, etc arent shifting to shared workspaces
wework and the like is for startups
wework and the like is for startups
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:30 pm to AbitaFan08
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would be shocked if the model in its current state persists.
Possibly. While there's been a rapid increase in demand, shared space business has relied heavily on areas with startups or freelancers. I think this begins to change soon enough though.
You'll never have a 100% independent office force, but I think you'll see peaks of 40-50% in a decade.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I do agree that things are changing, and hell I encourage it. My line of work and many others will require being in the office, though. And contrary to your condescending comments, it’s not due to the need for oversight or because I am an hourly worker.
But WeWork is a business failure and will not exist in 3 years. Though many others hopefully will learn from their mistakes and persist.
But WeWork is a business failure and will not exist in 3 years. Though many others hopefully will learn from their mistakes and persist.
This post was edited on 6/7/20 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most of America will be ghetto in 50 years.
It’s the liberal dream to turn the entire country into Section 8.
People never stop to think just how absurd it is that huge swaths of prime real estate in almost every American city is ghetto. What should be vibrant flourishing areas near the centers of cities are subsidized shitholes.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:58 pm to biglego
May I ask what thriving metropolis you’re posting from?
Posted on 6/7/20 at 3:59 pm to biglego
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It’s the liberal dream to turn the entire country into Section 8.
It won't happen in our lifetime or our kid's. There is still so much wide open space in the country and people with money will always move away from those without it.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 4:00 pm to AbitaFan08
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May I ask what thriving metropolis you’re posting from?
Lego lives in the Houston burbs. He's not wrong about a lot of prime real estate being ghetto though.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 4:00 pm to AbitaFan08
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My line of work and many others will require being in the office, though.
I work for the State, and there's probably a thousand that work in my building. Outside of the mailroom, every single job could be done remotely or with other accommodations.
I don't think anyone is seriously saying it's how 100% of the office force will do, but it will be sizable enough to change the current dynamics and centralized business.
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