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re: Will Smith's BAC 3x the legal limit when he was shot

Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:11 pm to
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:11 pm to
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I can't see how anyone can dispute that Hayes intentionally slammed the shite out of Will's Suv.



It's certainly plausible that Smith was hauling arse trying to flee. Hayes was all on his arse and then when Smith ran up on the Impala he slammed his brakes, causing Hayes to run into him.

Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:12 pm to
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1. Smith drove drunk and rear ends Hayes, left scene
2. Hayes was pissed and chased
3. Hayes peeved off catches up to and rear ends Smith
4. Passenger with Smith gets out of car, rips off shirt, wants to fight Hayes
5. Hayes gets out of car


this is correct.

Supposedly Will didn't have a gun on him, but he and Richard yelled things like "I'm going to kill you" Richard seemed to have escalated it a lot. Will probably should have just gave hayes his insurance info and been off after the first hit.

Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:12 pm to
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I can't see how anyone can dispute that Hayes intentionally slammed the shite out of Will's Suv.


how can you say he did. where's the video?

I saw a video of all 3 vehicles going way over the speed limit seconds before the pile up
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:13 pm to
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6. Smith grabs for gun out of glove box, wife fights him, Smith's gun goes off shooting wife in leg on accident

again... police have said only 1 of the 3 guns recovered show evidence of being fired... the weapon with Will's life on it
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:14 pm to
Raquel was in back seat on driver's side. Rebecca was on passenger side back seat. So you are saying Raquel jumped out and went around and got the gun from the glovebox?

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:14 pm to
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so at what point is Will Smith slamming Hayes' head into the sidewalk?
That was not not until later on in the Trayvon case, buddy
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:15 pm to
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Raquel was in back seat on driver's side. Rebecca was on passenger side back seat. So you are saying Raquel jumped out and went around and got the gun from the glovebox?


some people were saying all parties got out of the vehicles
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:16 pm to
that's plausible too. Fact is in this state, when you rear end someone you are at fault regardless of outcome, unless you can prove they maliciously caused the accident.

(why I have a dash cam in every vehicle)

Will made a mistake in not stopping and giving Insurance info after first wreck. A lot of people made mistakes after second wreck.

I don't think anyone was murdered. I see now why Hayes stayed on the scene.

Posted by baldona
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:18 pm to
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again... police have said only 1 of the 3 guns recovered show evidence of being fired... the weapon with Will's life on it


Were all 3 guns recovered "from the scene" or just all 3 guns supposedly "at the scene"? I'm all assumptions from reading between the lines honestly. But its easy to clean a gun or exchange a 9mm with a "friend" that wasn't at the scene.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:19 pm to
I just find it odd we havent gotten the full ballistics report yet. Police keep saying they " have no reason to believe another gun was fired..."
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 3:20 pm
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:19 pm to
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how can you say he did. where's the video?

I saw a video of all 3 vehicles going way over the speed limit seconds before the pile up



Okay, let's leave out intentional.

Here is a FACT Hayes hit Smith's car.
Smith hit Hayes' car first.

IMO since Hayes was in a civilian pursuit of Smith, his hitting the vehicle was intentional. Just an opinion that you can't prove either way and neither can I.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:20 pm to
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Were all 3 guns recovered "from the scene" or just all 3 guns supposedly "at the scene"? I'm all assumptions from reading between the lines honestly. But its easy to clean a gun or exchange a 9mm with a "friend" that wasn't at the scene.


NOPD is the only ones that know.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:20 pm to
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Were all 3 guns recovered "from the scene" or just all 3 guns supposedly "at the scene"? I'm all assumptions from reading between the lines honestly. But its easy to clean a gun or exchange a 9mm with a "friend" that wasn't at the scene.

First batch of evidence turned over
1 of the reports turned over by prosecutors to the defense was from the ATF

I'm sure they did all the ballistics testing and since the article says nothing of note came out... I'm sure that means Smith's gun came back as expected (meaning it wasn't fired)

also... Ceravolo willingly gave up his DNA to prove he didn't contaminate anything at the crime scene
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:22 pm to
Getting fender bumped by a drunk person that flees would suck.

Still not a good enough reason to chase them down and shoot them.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:22 pm to
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Ceravolo willingly gave up his DNA to prove he didn't contaminate anything at the crime scene
Wouldnt he only have to wipe the gun handle with his shirt to get around this?
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:23 pm to
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I just find it odd we havent gotten the full ballistics report yet. Police keep saying they " have no reason to believe another gun was fired..."

earlier link I posted said ballistics testing has come in
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:23 pm to
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Okay, let's leave out intentional. Here is a FACT Hayes hit Smith's car. Smith hit Hayes' car first. IMO since Hayes was in a civilian pursuit of Smith, his hitting the vehicle was intentional. Just an opinion that you can't prove either way and neither can I.


I just can't see how anyone can claim that is was intentional.

"rammed" was word used most here
Posted by TigerFred
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:23 pm to
The gun from Smith's car was not recovered until three days later after the NOPD obtained and executed a search warrant on the car.

The car was in possession of the NOPD.

So why does the NOPD need a search warrant?
Why wait three days?


Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:24 pm to
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It's certainly plausible that Smith was hauling arse trying to flee. Hayes was all on his arse and then when Smith ran up on the Impala he slammed his brakes, causing Hayes to run into him.




Are these skid marks from a tire found on an H2? From the 2nd collison

If so, what are they doing there? Abrupt stop?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111417 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 3:24 pm to
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earlier link I posted said ballistics testing has come in
And the results?
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