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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter

Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:50 pm to
I vaguely want to say maybe a Ruger not sure
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:50 pm to
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good point


I mean, really think about it.

People want to argue that Hayes can confront Smith with a gun, and then if Smith says I have a gun too and goes to his vehicle, Hayes can then unload, at point blank range, on Smith.

After originally threatening him a very real and very open gun.

LOGIC
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:50 pm to
And more from Daniels:

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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 45s45 seconds ago Def.: Hayes has gun at his side when shirtless man tells him 'you ain't gonna do nothin' with that gun. You ain't bout that life.'


It isn't even up for debate
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:51 pm to
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that hernandez dude just looks like a druggie



But we can't say what we think Hayes looks like?
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:51 pm to
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the first shot was a direct hit to his left side, meaning Smith was facing away from the cab of the vehicle


This is going to be a huge mountain to climb for Fuller.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:52 pm to
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But we can't say what we think Hayes looks like?


Smith looks like an agressive football player who thinks he is better than everyone else

Hayes looks like a TPOS

Hernandez looks like a typical deckhand druggie



Everyone happy? We got all the stereotyping out the way
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:52 pm to
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From Hayes's attorney:

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Daniels: Smith indicated 'I got a gun too and I'll show you what to do with it.' @wdsu



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Daniels says Racquel was pleading with Will 'not to get his gun' @WDSU




that doesnt mean that he had a gun in his hand. he may have just told smith back off I got a gun, which I seem to recall is what was heard on a video from the scene.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:52 pm to
Always been what my case was hinged on, WHY DID WILL THINK HE NEEDED TO RETRIEVE GUN.
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:52 pm to
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:53 pm to
Link to when I said that?

You are so triggered you can't see that I don't care for Hayes either.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:53 pm to
Don't forget the appearance of driving a hummer in the streets of the city late night.
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

that doesnt mean that he had a gun in his hand. he may have just told smith back off I got a gun, which I seem to recall is what was heard on a video from the scene.



You should tell his lawyer that

quote:

Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 45s45 seconds ago Def.: Hayes has gun at his side when shirtless man tells him 'you ain't gonna do nothin' with that gun. You ain't bout that life.'
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 4:54 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:54 pm to
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Don't forget the appearance of driving a hummer in the streets of the city late night
I already said he looks like a TPOS
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

Donald Chick Foret ?@chickforet 9s9 seconds ago Fuller jumps right in asking her if she would exagerate to preserve the memory & public image of her husband.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:55 pm to
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 2m2 minutes ago Court is back. Racquel Smith is facing cross examination. John Fuller expresses his condolences to start.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:55 pm to
I know but dat hummer doe
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

that doesnt mean that he had a gun in his hand. he may have just told smith back off I got a gun, which I seem to recall is what was heard on a video from the scene.




Everything I've heard from all accounts is that the gun was out prior to Smith retreating. I guess we will find out.

IF that is the case and IF the jury believes that, Hayes is fricked imo not matter what anything else says.

To me everything falls on that point. Every other Fuller bullshite parlor trick evaporates.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:56 pm to
quote:

Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 8s8 seconds ago John Fuller: Let's talk about how much Will Smith drank the day he was killed. We don't have to go drink by drink.
Fuller is trying to catch her in a lie. If she says only a few, she is toast
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:56 pm to
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 20s20 seconds ago Racquel Smith says Will Smith had a daiquiri at French Quarter Fest and then 'drinks' at Barcadia. Can't recall how many.


quote:

Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 26s26 seconds ago At Ruth's Chris, Will Smith drank wine, Racquel Smith said. Again, can't recall how much. WS also drank at Sake; RS can't recall how much.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 4:57 pm
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

You should tell his lawyer that


did he get out the car with the gun in his hand or did he pull it out after the arguing commenced?
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