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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:35 pm to SuperSaint
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:35 pm to SuperSaint
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I'm not invested in this at all except for it being intriguing and me knowing two people that witnessed it and were called to testify.
Okay we get it. How many times are you going to tell us your best friend was the star witness and you had lunch with him last week?
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:36 pm to LNCHBOX
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You keep saying stone cold killer. That's not what Hayes is charged as being.
Well, yes. He's charged with murder -2 and I believe in Louisiana, the only way to get Murder 1 is to kill a cop, amirite OT Legal Egals?
NOTE: I am not a barrister and have never played one on television nor have I slept at a holiday in in quite a while.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:36 pm to SuperSaint
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Sid in Lakeshore
thanks for being reasonable
My response to you essentially said the exact same thing. I didn't call you any names. Why no thanks to me for being reasonable?
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:36 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:i told you what I thought my definition of stone cold killer was and explained why as it aligned with murder2 the way the statute reads and with tLSU mentioning the 'cooling' of the blood.
You keep saying stone cold killer. That's not what Hayes is charged as being.
I then kindly asked you to please tell me what your definition of stone cold killer is, but you still tell me I refuse to educate myself... com'on man
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:37 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Okay we get it. How many times are you going to tell us your best friend was the star witness and you had lunch with him last week?
He loves bringing that up
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:37 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:because I ask you to help me with a definition but decide to just tell me I refuse to educate myself.... you really haven't been reasonable
Why no thanks to me for being reasonable?
Eta: frick my life I'm actually replying to this stupid shite about 'why him and not me' that I've been reading from you for days... god damn it
This post was edited on 12/11/16 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:38 pm to PillPusher
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You don't get a fair trial when you kill a saints player IN New Orleans. The man was guilty by public opinion the minute he was arrested.
Was a change of venue ever asked for? If so I assume it was denied???
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:39 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Danny Monteverde ?@DCMonteverde
We thought there was a question from the jury. Rushed back into court, but judge said it was nothing. Jurors wanted to see some exhibits.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:40 pm to SuperSaint
That's not how I answered the question originally. You just keep changing it until I say something you like.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:40 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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I believe in Louisiana, the only way to get Murder 1 is to kill a cop, amirite
No
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:40 pm to tunechi
Id love to see what is going on in the jury deliberations. Judging by these discussions it is really hard to make someone change their mind. potential to be a huge clusterfrick in there.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:41 pm to tunechi
quote:not a best friend, but when we are talking about where I'm drawing some of my interest from, yes of course talking to a witness about his time in the court room amongst other things is no doubt added interest..... is that not kosher?
He loves bringing that up
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:42 pm to LNCHBOX
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That's not what happens here. Nothing has shown Hayes to have any reasonable fear for his life. Certainly not from Smith.
smith was shot near his car. There was a gun in his car.........
unfortunately, he was shot in his LEFT side first, then 8 more times. His wife testified she had calmed him down and 2 people testified they though the situation was diffused.
THEN HAYES testified SMITH SHOT AT HIM, which literally nobody else said or even thought, even Hayes best buddy.
Huge misstep by the defense. even without this misstep, I would vote guilty of Manslaughter or possibly Murder 2, but could see if others voted criminal injury to Raquel.....
With his statements, I vote guilty and cannot understand how you arrive at another conclusion.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:44 pm to rt3
quote:
Danny Monteverde ?@DCMonteverde
Autopsy report, autopsy diagram crime scene diagram, 3D crime scene diagram is what jury wanted to see. Judge granted request.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:44 pm to SuperSaint
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I then kindly asked you to please tell me what your definition of stone cold killer is, but you still tell me I refuse to educate myself... com'on man
I guess I missed this. A stone cold killer plans the murder in advance. Hayes didn't do that. What he did falls in line with part 1of the murder 2 statute.
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A. Second degree murder is the killing of a human being:
(1) When the offender has a specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm; or
(2) When the offender is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of aggravated or first degree rape, forcible or second degree rape, aggravated arson, aggravated burglary, aggravated kidnapping, second degree kidnapping, aggravated escape, assault by drive-by shooting, armed robbery, first degree robbery, second degree robbery, simple robbery, cruelty to juveniles, second degree cruelty to juveniles, or terrorism, even though he has no intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm.
(3) When the offender unlawfully distributes or dispenses a controlled dangerous substance listed in Schedules I through V of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law, or any combination thereof, which is the direct cause of the death of the recipient who ingested or consumed the controlled dangerous substance.
(4) When the offender unlawfully distributes or dispenses a controlled dangerous substance listed in Schedules I through V of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law, or any combination thereof, to another who subsequently distributes or dispenses such controlled dangerous substance which is the direct cause of the death of the person who ingested or consumed the controlled dangerous substance.
Hayes didn't set out that day to kill anyone. But IMO he had intent to kill Smith with no justification to do so. He's not cold blooded.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:46 pm to tunechi
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He loves bringing that up
Is like it somehow makes him an expert on the case.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:46 pm to LNCHBOX
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That's not how I answered the question originally. You just keep changing it until I say something you like.
Ok let me clear it up. I said my definition of someone that commits murder2 defines them as a stone cold killer.... I still think that and I've explained why I think that with the blood 'cooled' by the time the decision was made to kill.
Ok we get that right?
Well you tell me that I'm wrong?
Right?
I then ask if you would please share your definitions of a stone cold killer and how it wouldn't fit the description of someone convicted of murder2...
Please help me here. If I read something wrong with the discussion we have had then correct me and tell me bro, that's all. Don't just have to say "you're wrong?" "That isn't the question"..
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:47 pm to TigahJay
What is it then? Premeditation? You hav eto plan it out?
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:48 pm to SuperSaint
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not a best friend, but when we are talking about where I'm drawing some of my interest from, yes of course talking to a witness about his time in the court room amongst other things is no doubt added interest..... is that not kosher?
Tigress has been knowing Judge Buras since first grade, they even used to date the same boys. So there
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:49 pm to SuperSaint
You aren't interested in my opinion. Quit pretending.
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