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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter

Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:55 am to
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:55 am to
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Which would not have happened had Smith not hit him and driven off.


Correct
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 9:57 am to
Proof that Smith hit Hayes?

I'll wait
Posted by BrotherEsau
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:00 am to
Is it not hard to imagine that Hayes was following and trying to get a pic of the license plate when Smith stopped and Hayes then ran into him?

Testimony was that Smith had to be held back. I've been in several accidents. I've been a tad pissed when it wasn't my fault but I've never had to be held back and I've never tried to fight the offender. I've had two that were my fault, the other guy never had to be held back.

Ever been in a situation where your adrenaline is pumping and your trying to call 911 and you fat finger keys, maybe your phone app freezes (my iphone phone app freezes all the time)?

If you're a tad open minded, it's not hard to see this both ways and that the tragedy is all around it.
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:03 am to
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Is it not hard to imagine that Hayes was following and trying to get a pic of the license plate when Smith stopped and Hayes then ran into him?


Maybe, but in no way is this punishable by death from seven gun shot wounds to the back.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:04 am to
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If you're a tad open minded, it's not hard to see this both ways and that the tragedy is all around it.



I think most here agree with this. But we still need an explanation of how it got to an unarmed man being shot 7 times in the back.
Posted by Fox McLeod
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:04 am to
Smith with a .235 BAC How many drinks does it take for a guy of Smith'a size to get that drunk?
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 10:06 am
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:04 am to
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John Simerman ?@johnsimerman
Side shot, Huber said, "consistent with his trunk being upright." Goes to state case Smith wasn't bent over in SUV, reaching in glovebox.
Posted by UptownnMike
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:05 am to
Doesn't have anything to do with the trial but when did chicken put the Christmas lights up.
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:06 am to
I believe the video shows him hitting Hayes. Of course, you will disagree so it doesn't matter.
Posted by djangochained
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:09 am to
Daaammmmm that's a lot of daquiris
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:13 am to
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Side shot, Huber said, "consistent with his trunk being upright." Goes to state case Smith wasn't bent over in SUV, reaching in glovebox.


If he was upright for the side shot, I would imagine it was probably the first shot. No science to base that off of, but I think I would not be standing after getting shot in the side.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:13 am to
It's not clear cut
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:14 am to
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If he was upright for the side shot, I would imagine it was probably the first shot. No science to base that off of, but I think I would not be standing after getting shot in the side.

that would also mean his BACK is to his car at the moment he's first shot

completely destroys the defense argument of Smith going for his gun
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:17 am to
Smith upright, not bending over into SUV, Racquel was even shot first, First hand neutral witness said Smith was doing nothing deserving to be shot.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:18 am to
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defense argument of Smith going for his gun


pardon my memory but has the defense or any witness even argued this yet? Maybe in opening, can't remember.
Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:19 am to
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First hand neutral witness said Smith was doing nothing deserving to be shot.


He also said he was concentrated on Hernandez.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40250 posts
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:20 am to
How can there be no written report by a crash expert??

quote:

No written report by Sunseri. Smart move by DA. Didn't have to hand it over
Per twitter
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:20 am to
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He also said he was concentrated on Hernandez.




He wouldn't have answered affirmatively. Will did nothing deserving of being shot.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:20 am to
oh look... the defense doesn't want to classify the accident reconstruction guy as an expert

I wonder why

quote:

Danny Monteverde ?@DCMonteverde
Court deems Sunseri an expert witness.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 10:23 am
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:21 am to
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I wonder why


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