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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:39 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:39 pm to lsupride87
Ross is really helping Hayes' case here.
-Hernandez acting an arse
- he heard O'Neal try and calm things down
- heard someone in the Hummer say call for an ambulance
-Hernandez acting an arse
- he heard O'Neal try and calm things down
- heard someone in the Hummer say call for an ambulance
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Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:39 pm to lsupride87
O Neal made a gun threat.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:39 pm to lsupride87
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I think having someone specifically say "I am going to kill you n****" coming from the smith camp is going to be a slam dunk for the defense
And once again, you would scare the shite out of me on a jury.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:39 pm to lsupride87
Ramon Antonio Vargas ? @RVargasAdvocate
Jay Daniels establishes that Justin Ross didn't see a gun until Cardell Hayes put one on the hood of the Hummer. Ross, as other witnesses...
Ramon Antonio Vargas ? @RVargasAdvocate
...have done, said that he did not actually see Will Smith get shot.
Ramon Antonio Vargas ? @RVargasAdvocate
Justin Ross again describes seeing Richard Hernandez getting aggressive with O'Neal, who said, 'Back down, back down, I have a gun.'
Jay Daniels establishes that Justin Ross didn't see a gun until Cardell Hayes put one on the hood of the Hummer. Ross, as other witnesses...
Ramon Antonio Vargas ? @RVargasAdvocate
...have done, said that he did not actually see Will Smith get shot.
Ramon Antonio Vargas ? @RVargasAdvocate
Justin Ross again describes seeing Richard Hernandez getting aggressive with O'Neal, who said, 'Back down, back down, I have a gun.'
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:39 pm to lsuhunt555
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That's my thing. Words are enough to incite fear, but not enough fear to justify murder.
What about words coupled with insane behavior, running around trying to hit people and general acting like a violent a-hole?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:40 pm to lsupride87
quote:
I think having someone specifically say "I am going to kill you n****" coming from the smith camp is going to be a slam dunk for the defense
You can simply disagree
For me, its less about this case and more about precedent moving forward. To think that someone can make verbal empty threats and it cost them their life and the other person be justified is frightening as frick.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:40 pm to lsuhunt555
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For me, its less about this case and more about precedent moving forward. To think that someone can make verbal empty threats and it cost them their life and the other person be justified is frightening as frick.
Yep.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:41 pm to Lester Earl
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Ross is really helping Hayes' case here.
-Hernandez acting an arse
- he heard O'Neal try and calm things down
- heard someone in the Hummer say call for an ambulance
except he establishes that O'Neal is the only 1 throwing out claims of having a gun
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:41 pm to LNCHBOX
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Except he didn't shoot Hernandez and Co.
More talking about an imminent threat that Hernandez became
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:41 pm to BrotherEsau
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What about words coupled with insane behavior, running around trying to hit people and general acting like a violent a-hole?
The problem is from all accounts the person who did all of the above is still alive.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:41 pm to Fun Bunch
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Did he demonstrate an ability to do so?
Words aren't enough. Not even close.
The reality of this is the jury is an Orleans Parish jury which is predominately african american with one caucasian kid who is a 20 something. The evidence and law don't matter one iota now that Hernandez issued his racially divisive threat. The jurors heard that and this group will make up their minds based on that type of rhetoric. Jurors in this case aren't college graduates and for the most part comprehend on a 3rd grade level.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:42 pm to LNCHBOX
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Really? So anyone that says "I'm gonna frick you up" could also be shot off that logic
No
third party witness has someone in Smith party say "I'm going to kill you n****"
third party witness say smith and party being the agressor, Hayes being defensive
gun found in smiths vehicle
Hayes says in recording a gun with smith was mentioned
I think that is enough for me to say the state is not going to be able to make a case that reasonable fear for his life did not exist
Unless they have a bombshell witness or evidence that they are waiting to use
You can disagree.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:42 pm to Lester Earl
How did Hernandez justify his behavior when he was on he stand? this guy is a true a-hole and it sounds like, got his friend killed.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:42 pm to Lester Earl
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More talking about an imminent threat that Hernandez became
Ok. Still doesn't give him a pass for shooting Smith.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:43 pm to Lester Earl
This Hernandez guy my god. Sounds like he escalated all of this after the crash.
Can't believe he ran off and left his wife after hearing shots fired. There is no way I could leave my wife in that situation.
Can't believe he ran off and left his wife after hearing shots fired. There is no way I could leave my wife in that situation.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:43 pm to lsupride87
quote:
You can disagree.
Don't worry, I will. If Hernandez was the one shot you might have a point.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:43 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
he heard O'Neal try and calm things down
He heard O'Neal saying he had a gun. He's a real Ghandi.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:43 pm to rt3
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O'Neal is the only 1 throwing out claims of having a gun
It sounded more like a warning then a threat to me. As in his testimony he said KON was trying to calm things. He hasn't been the first witness to say that
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:44 pm to Lester Earl
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It sounded more like a warning then a threat to me. As in his testimony he said KON was trying to calm things. He hasn't been the first witness to say that
"back down. Back off, I have a gun"
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:44 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:You would too since you dont know the law and you thought the burden of proof was on the defendant
And once again, you would scare the shite out of me on a jury.
You should really talk
YOUR DUMBASS THOUGHT THE BURDEN OF PROOF WAS ON THE DEFENDANT
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