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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:23 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:23 pm to lsupride87
87 doing work. What's the latest? Care to catch me up real quick? I have spelling class in 10 min.
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Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:24 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Why would the prosecution parade all those players around the courtroom if they weren't trying to influence the jury?
Of course they want it to influence the jury. So the frick what?
Should Will's friends not show up or something?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:24 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Why would the prosecution parade all those players around the courtroom if they weren't trying to influence the jury?
Is that the biggest hill for the defense to climb, yes or no?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:27 pm to Fun Bunch
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made to look guilty. He shot the guy. 7 times. In the back.
If you posted the exact law for M2, at some point someone is going to have to explain Hayes specific intent to cold bloodily murder someone. If it wasn't for the reason that Smith had, and or was retrieving a gun, then they better have a solid theory on why all of a sudden he decided to shoot Smith yet pose no threat to anyone else at the scene.
Law, in black & white is fine. but don't discount common sense
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:27 pm to tigerpimpbot
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the prosecution parade all those players around the courtroom if they weren't trying to influence the jury?
Why are Hayes' friends and family parading around the courtroom?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:27 pm to LNCHBOX
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Ross testifying that he didn't see guns in the hands of Cardell Hayes or passenger Kevin O'Neal.
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Daniels: Did you hear Hernandez say, "I'm gonna f****** kill you, n*****?" Ross: Yes. Hernandez denied this on the stand yesterday.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:29 pm to Lester Earl
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If it wasn't for the reason that Smith had, and or was retrieving a gun, then they better have a solid theory on why all of a sudden he decided to shoot Smith yet pose no threat to anyone else at the scene.
So we just skip the whole why Will SMith was "going to get a gun" part?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:29 pm to Fun Bunch
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Do you think that he should have a reasonable belief of losing his life because of this?
You keep saying this. That's not the standard. It's a reasonable fear of death or great bodily injury. That's why all the circumstances ARE relevant and important. He may be reasonable in fearing that these guys were going to beat him senseless. If so, the homicide is justifiable.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:30 pm to Fun Bunch
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Of course they want it to influence the jury. So the frick what?
I was responding to lnchbox
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So you think the jurors will care more about Saints players at the trial than the facts of the case?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:30 pm to Chad504boy
So Hernandez calls someone a n****r and then threatens to kill him, and Hayes still doesn't shoot him...
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:30 pm to LNCHBOX
Seems like a lot of conflicting information with each new witness. Stories don't seem to line up at least.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:30 pm to Lester Earl
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If you posted the exact law for M2, at some point someone is going to have to explain Hayes specific intent to cold bloodily murder someone.
Specific intent is established when you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger. That said, heat of passion is a mitigating factor. Hayes will probably either (a) get off as being justified or (b) get convicted of manslaughter.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:30 pm to reddman
It seems like Ross saw stuff but actually didn't see anything. Wish he had more details. If he was eyeing up Smith, I want to know at what point did he lean into his car, & why? Dude has all these "details" except the important ones.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:31 pm to Chad504boy
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Why are Hayes' friends and family parading around the courtroom?
Half the city is wearing a Hayes jersey.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:31 pm to reddman
as well as ONeal declaring i have a gun.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:31 pm to LNCHBOX
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ? @RVargasAdvocate
Either way, Daniels established multiple weeks passed before authorities followed up on the video in question, that Ross shot
Danny Monteverde ? @DCMonteverde
Ross on Hernandez: "He was very out of control."
Ramon Antonio Vargas ? @RVargasAdvocate
Ross says he doesn't see guns in the hands of the occupants of the Hummer -- O'Neal and Hayes -- when he got to the altercation.
Ramon Antonio Vargas ? @RVargasAdvocate
Ross testifies that he heard Richard Hernandez say 'I'm going to effing kill you, n-word.' Hernandez denied this yesterday.
Ramon Antonio Vargas ? @RVargasAdvocate
Defense has seized on the allegation that Hernandez dropped a racial epithet and a threat to kill someone as they try to argue that ...
2:28 PM - 8 Dec 2016
Ramon Antonio Vargas ? @RVargasAdvocate
... Hayes and O'Neal were under attack and threat at the time of the shooting. Ross' testimony just now will aid them to that end, it seems.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:31 pm to tigerpimpbot
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I was responding to lnchbox
And I was responding to LE's opinion that it's the biggest hurdle the defense needs to climb.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:31 pm to BrotherEsau
This Hernandez dude seems like POS. Why does anyone hang out with people like this?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:31 pm to reddman
quote:Hmm. So now we have a state witness saying they did in fact here Hernandez threaten to kill a n****
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Daniels: Did you hear Hernandez say, "I'm gonna f****** kill you, n*****?" Ross: Yes. Hernandez denied this on the stand yesterday.
I realize it isn't smith that said it, but having someone in his party threaten murder, sure isn't a good thing for the state
Posted on 12/8/16 at 2:32 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I think Hayes will walk now
Ross testifies that he heard Richard Hernandez say 'I'm going to effing kill you, n-word.' Hernandez denied this yesterday.
Ramon Antonio Vargas ? @RVargasAdvocate
Defense has seized on the allegation that Hernandez dropped a racial epithet and a threat to kill someone as they try to argue that ...
2:28 PM - 8 Dec 2016
Ramon Antonio Vargas ? @RVargasAdvocate
... Hayes and O'Neal were under attack and threat at the time of the shooting. Ross' testimony just now will aid them to that end, it seems.
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