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Why is the West so obsessed with death as the answer to life rather than life itself?
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:42 am
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:42 am
I very recently had yet another family member take his own life, following in the footsteps of his dad who also took his own life. This has gotten me to revisit this stuff in my head yet again, why we are so obsessed with death in the west for problems associated with living. Be it abortion, or suicide, society seems to be obsessed with death instead of life.
For mental issues or people who feel they’ve just lost all hope and come to the end of their road in life, we have a bountiful supply of medication to drug you up with, sometimes working, sometimes making people zombies, and sometimes nothing at all, but almost never actual substantive answers when it comes to actually addressing the root causes of people’s depression, or finding ways out of their condition, giving them hope, a second chance, or purpose greater than their condition in which to live for.
Society frowns on faith, yet faith and hope is the one thing they actually need, as well as the purpose for living that comes with that.
In Canada, until just recently, they were doling out medically assisted death like candy, bringing medically assisting suicide to 1 in 25 deaths in Canada. That’s a lot of people who want to die, and a lot of people who clearly weren’t directed to a place that could address their condition and direct them to Hope and purpose. If you look at a map of where medically assisted death is legal and not, it’s almost all Western Countries, all of Western Europe, Australia, Canada, the US, and a few outliers.
Blue indicates legal
Help me understand why we are so incredibly obsessed with death in the West, yet in those countries where you would think people with little hope in life it would be a mainstay, yet life appears to be more precious than in so called developed countries.
For mental issues or people who feel they’ve just lost all hope and come to the end of their road in life, we have a bountiful supply of medication to drug you up with, sometimes working, sometimes making people zombies, and sometimes nothing at all, but almost never actual substantive answers when it comes to actually addressing the root causes of people’s depression, or finding ways out of their condition, giving them hope, a second chance, or purpose greater than their condition in which to live for.
Society frowns on faith, yet faith and hope is the one thing they actually need, as well as the purpose for living that comes with that.
In Canada, until just recently, they were doling out medically assisted death like candy, bringing medically assisting suicide to 1 in 25 deaths in Canada. That’s a lot of people who want to die, and a lot of people who clearly weren’t directed to a place that could address their condition and direct them to Hope and purpose. If you look at a map of where medically assisted death is legal and not, it’s almost all Western Countries, all of Western Europe, Australia, Canada, the US, and a few outliers.
Blue indicates legal
Help me understand why we are so incredibly obsessed with death in the West, yet in those countries where you would think people with little hope in life it would be a mainstay, yet life appears to be more precious than in so called developed countries.
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:45 am to Mike da Tigah
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yet in those countries where you would think people with little hope in life it would be a mainstay, yet life appears to be more precious than in so called developed countries.
People in Third world countries are too busy killing other people to kill themselves.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 9:46 am
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:48 am to Mike da Tigah
Canada used maid on homeless people
ETA: in America all we have to be hopeful for is the election which is probably gonna be rigged. So expect “migrants” everywhere
They even put a migrant in charge of our football team to make it suck
ETA: in America all we have to be hopeful for is the election which is probably gonna be rigged. So expect “migrants” everywhere
They even put a migrant in charge of our football team to make it suck
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 9:51 am
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:50 am to Mike da Tigah
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Help me understand why we are so incredibly obsessed with death in the West, yet in those countries where you would think people with little hope in life it would be a mainstay, yet life appears to be more precious than in so called developed countries.
It's the end result of nihilism, which is a hallmark of most collectivist political philosophies that have overtaken the West in the last half century.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:50 am to Mike da Tigah
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If you look at a map of where medically assisted death is legal and not, it’s almost all Western Countries, all of Western Europe, Australia, Canada, the US, and a few outliers.
the light blue is not medically assisted death, but simply refusal of care
and the gray means that it just isn't regulated
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:00 am to Salmon
Regardless of the present legality of actual medically assisted suicide, this is a disturbing trend, and I have no doubt that it will be all the rage in the States given our fixation on death as the answer to life, and falling away from the only one who does have the answers, God Himself. Science can definitely show you how to end life, just not how to actually live it with purpose and hope.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 10:02 am
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:00 am to Salmon
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the light blue is not medically assisted death, but simply refusal of care
The U.S. being solidly light blue is misleading. It varies by state, which it should.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:01 am to Mike da Tigah
quote:The purely technological and consumer driven world in which we now live is the equivalent of a small zoo cage for a human being.
Why is the West so obsessed with death as the answer to life rather than life itself?
We simply weren't made for the 21st century, and we aren't adapting.
The happiest people are those who value the people and things that humans have always valued. This takes a bit of effort now.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:03 am to bayoubengals88
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The purely technological and consumer driven world in which we now live is the equivalent of a small zoo cage for a human being.
We simply weren't made for the 21st century, and we aren't adapting.
The happiest people are those who value the people and things that humans have always valued. This takes a bit of effort now.
I’ll agree wholeheartedly with that. This system we find ourselves in at present is not working, but rather stressing people to their breaking point and beyond.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:07 am to Mike da Tigah
A family member recently died of dementia after eight hard years. I'm 100% in favor of medically assisted suicide.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:12 am to Jim Rockford
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A family member recently died of dementia after eight hard years. I'm 100% in favor of medically assisted suicide.
Well, my own mother suffers from dementia as well as anxiety and depression, and incapable of taking care of herself without assistance, and I can tell you that I am in favor of doing everything I can to make her life purposeful and spiritually fulfilled than wanting her to end it, and I know she doesn’t want to either.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:20 am to bayoubengals88
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The purely technological and consumer driven world in which we now live is the equivalent of a small zoo cage for a human being. We simply weren't made for the 21st century, and we aren't adapting.
I agree
Peasants had it way better than us. More days off, small high trust communities, a better more fulfilling job that kept you healthy like digging crops, and at some point the duke would tell you to muster and you’d get the family sharpened stick and go face down fully armored knights over some petty land dispute
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:22 am to Mike da Tigah
After watching my Mom waste away for 9 months with terminal, metastatic breast cancer, I'll never be against medically assisted death. At that point the cancer was in her bones, her stomach, her liver, her pancreas, etc. It had spread to cause METs on her brain and radiation that she received also robbed her of some of her cognitive abilities in those final weeks. There was no "miracle cure" for her. There was no comfort without her doped to the gills on morphine. She should've been able to make that choice without giving up her life insurance and dignity.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 10:25 am
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:24 am to Mike da Tigah
In parts of Europe they do assisted suicide too. I saw a story awhile back where a mom had major depressive episodes with a kid and so she decided to take her own life through the government. It was the most ridiculous thing I read. They willfully killed her because she wanted it despite having a child to take care of because she couldn't manage her depression.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:27 am to Mike da Tigah
Get back to me when she forgets how to swallow her food and gets aspiration pneumonia that turns into sepsis. When she has frightening hallucinations. When she cries and fights her aides when they try to change her because she doesn't understand what they're doing.
I hope that doesn't with your mother but that was our reality. If I'm ever faced with that diagnosis I will not put myself and my family through it. Hopefully medical means will be available. If not, I will take matters into my own hands.
I hope that doesn't with your mother but that was our reality. If I'm ever faced with that diagnosis I will not put myself and my family through it. Hopefully medical means will be available. If not, I will take matters into my own hands.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:32 am to Mike da Tigah
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Why is the West so obsessed with death as the answer to life rather than life itself?
I disagree with this premise.. in my observation, in the West (sepfically America)- people seem obsessed with where they are going after they die.. i know people who seem to throw up their hands on the daily and pray for the Second Coming so it’ll all end soon.. and, i get it- life is hard.. but im agnostic, and id argue that i am far more obsessed with life than with death, since i think after we die, we are daffodil fertilizer.. so to me, this life is all we got.. it’s the people who believe in an afterlife who seem obsessed with death .
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:36 am to Jim Rockford
I think this type of aid to use something like MAID makes sense to me. They're in clear pain. However, the way it's used in some parts of the world is disturbing. As I mentioned above a mom killed herself through the government just because she couldn't manage depression. There was nothing wrong with her physically.
It's hard for me to believe someone has mental illness through depression so bad they have to off themselves when they have a kid to take care of. I think in circumstances like that, it's a disturbing trend. America has extremely poor mental healthcare compared to some other first-world countries.
It's hard for me to believe someone has mental illness through depression so bad they have to off themselves when they have a kid to take care of. I think in circumstances like that, it's a disturbing trend. America has extremely poor mental healthcare compared to some other first-world countries.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:47 am to Jim Rockford
I’m never going to the doctor ever again unless it’s something they can’t mess up like if I need a physical to join a sports team
Going to a doctor as a man is like “stop drinking! Stop eating meat! Take your Covid shot! Here’s a statin so you get dementia!” You can tell they hate us
Going to a doctor as a man is like “stop drinking! Stop eating meat! Take your Covid shot! Here’s a statin so you get dementia!” You can tell they hate us
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:33 pm to Mike da Tigah
Depression is not an easy thing to fix in most cases. My two family members who committed suicide were fricked up by their upbringing. I could tell you exactly how they were ruined; it was through indulgence. If you want to make a child’s life ruinously difficult just make it extremely easy every day that they are young. By the time they are five you will have ruined them; by the time they are 25 they will be irredeemably unhappy.
If you want to raise happy kids show them a lot of love, consistent discipline and make them work from the time they are four or five. And for their sake eschew the constant sports leagues. Contrary to every athlete who tells you otherwise, that doesn’t do shite for them.
If you want to raise happy kids show them a lot of love, consistent discipline and make them work from the time they are four or five. And for their sake eschew the constant sports leagues. Contrary to every athlete who tells you otherwise, that doesn’t do shite for them.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:43 pm to Mike da Tigah
quote:What did you and your family do for this person and his dad previously?
Society frowns on faith, yet faith and hope is the one thing they actually need, as well as the purpose for living that comes with that.
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