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re: Why is LA so against toll roads?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 1:43 pm to AbitaFan08
Posted on 6/2/17 at 1:43 pm to AbitaFan08
quote:yeah...because we don't get taxed nearly enough.
It's viewed as just another tax, and people from LA aren't usually inclined to raise taxes
Posted on 6/2/17 at 1:50 pm to tlsu15
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Yes you can. Obama opened the door to states to look into doing that back in 2013 or 2014.
Link?
FAST Act 2017
the FAST Act modifies some requirements of the Interstate System Reconstruction and Rehabilitation Pilot Program, which allows tolling an existing Interstate highway to finance needed reconstruction or rehabilitation. Specifically, it sets new time limits for an applicant to move from a provisionally-approved application to a complete application that fully satisfies the program’s eligibility and selection criteria, complete the environmental review and permitting process under the National Environmental Policy Act, and execute a toll agreement with the Secretary. States for which FHWA had provisionally approved an application prior to enactment of the FAST Act have a one-year time limit, while provisional approvals subsequent to enactment of the FAST Act will have a three-year time limit. The FAST Act also gives FHWA the authority to extend either of these limits by an additional year if certain conditions in the statute are met.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 6/2/17 at 1:51 pm to The Sad Banana
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In short, out of towners pay for the toll road. Take them off the interstate and Airline, you have less congestion on those roads for locals.
Someone gets it.
This isn't like the tollways here in DFW. We have enough money everywhere to pay for anything we want.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 1:54 pm to Cosmo
Simple...,,,
La., is a Third World State
La., is a Third World State
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:03 pm to Cosmo
Because Huey Long and the Dems convinced the poors they can get all kinds of cool shite for free.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:07 pm to bigrob385series
quote:The gas tax has not be raised since 1989. What good or service can you think of that you consume that hasn't been adjusted for inflation or costs?
yeah...because we don't get taxed nearly enough.
When it is broken down to the driver, it would cost about $230/year for a person driving an F150 if the gas tax was raised $0.23/gal.
That would create about $600M in revenue for the state of Louisiana to allocate only to transportation and infrastructure.
Let's compare Louisiana to Texas. Texas' budget for engineering contracts for the year is north of $1B. That's just design of projects--not construction. Conversely, Louisiana's budget for contracts and engineering is $60M.
The state of Georgia is just now reaping the benefits of approving a gas tax increase and they now have so much revenue they need private firms to help manage their program.
Louisiana will forever be in a financial quagmire with regards to infrastructure unless new tax revenue streams aren't generated. The gas tax hike was an all for one, one for all way to get a massive boon in tax revenue to fund our infrastructure needs. Our legislators failed us.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:09 pm to magildachunks
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Toll roads are notoriously corrupt. Can you imagine how bad it would be here?
When the CCC had a toll, it was able to provide for its own maintenance, maintenance crew, patrol division, and engineers without a dime from state and had a surplus.
Take away the toll, and the already stretched thin state bridge budget can't cover the cost of yearly painting it.
I'm fairly certain that every Nola area toll had at least one instance of fraud.
The one on the westbank of the MS was being robbed blind for years.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:13 pm to Cosmo
From what I understand in the past the people in charge of the toll roads that we do have now have never lived up to their original promises.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:14 pm to The Sad Banana
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The Sad Banana
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The gas tax has not be raised since 1989. What good or service can you think of that you consume that hasn't been adjusted for inflation or costs?
I have been preaching this for the last few years until I think my teeth were bleeding at one point. Nobody wants to hear it. Nobody wants to be educated. There is something real sad to be said for people who refuse to allow themselves to be educated. Nobody wants logic, they just want to complain.
They'll have their chance, at least for the next 8 or so years.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:14 pm to Cosmo
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magine a BR loop with $10 toll to go across entire length.
I can imagine that. I can also imagine $9.90 of that toll going into a politicians wallet.
The political and govt contractor class are going to love it.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:16 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:How much of the revenue generated from the existing gas tax has been squandered and otherwise pissed away??
The gas tax has not be raised since 1989. What good or service can you think of that you consume that hasn't been adjusted for inflation or costs?
quote:"Us" meaning the road construction contractors, CE's, etc and others that stood to rake it in if this tax would've been inacted?
Our legislators failed us.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:17 pm to magildachunks
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Can't install tolls on federal interstates.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:18 pm to Boudreaux35
Raising the gas tax was a painless, everyone-contributes solution to the problem. But in this state, there is a pre-built wall of NO when you talk about raising taxes. I'm a conservative myself, but when I hear that there is a proposal to increase revenue and it's sole purpose is to be allocated to funding infrastructure and transportation projects I am all for it.
There are even two bills attached to the gas tax hike that would add accountability to the DOTD. Not that they are to blame. They are just working with the revenues they have, which aren't much.
There are even two bills attached to the gas tax hike that would add accountability to the DOTD. Not that they are to blame. They are just working with the revenues they have, which aren't much.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:20 pm to The Sad Banana
Over 70 million dollars was taken from the gas trust fund to fund State Police. Does that tell you something?
You can not just look at the gas tax and our highways as a stand alone problem, not when for the most part the same taxpayers pay the gas tax as well as the sales taxes and income taxes.
If the state can afford to give yp 150, 180 and over 200 million a year in revenues to buy business from the film industry it tells me we have more money than we need.
When you read that our nursing home industry influences our state legislators and our governor to provide for more nursing home care to the tune of 200 million plus a year than our sister states, then that tells me we have more money than we need.
We are not a rich state, but our gas tax is the same as Texas. We should be able to operate well with that don't you think, but we all know we can't. We need twice as much on a gallon of gas because we have so much inefficiency, waste and abuse to cover.
I'd go along with a gas tax increase if they lowered taxes elsewhere and cut out the favoritism and special programs which cost the general fund millions.
You can not just look at the gas tax and our highways as a stand alone problem, not when for the most part the same taxpayers pay the gas tax as well as the sales taxes and income taxes.
If the state can afford to give yp 150, 180 and over 200 million a year in revenues to buy business from the film industry it tells me we have more money than we need.
When you read that our nursing home industry influences our state legislators and our governor to provide for more nursing home care to the tune of 200 million plus a year than our sister states, then that tells me we have more money than we need.
We are not a rich state, but our gas tax is the same as Texas. We should be able to operate well with that don't you think, but we all know we can't. We need twice as much on a gallon of gas because we have so much inefficiency, waste and abuse to cover.
I'd go along with a gas tax increase if they lowered taxes elsewhere and cut out the favoritism and special programs which cost the general fund millions.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:22 pm to magildachunks
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Can't install tolls on federal interstates.
Partially incorrect.
I-95 in Delaware is a toll road. As is a good portion of I-95 thru New Jersey from Exit 6 and north. I-95 in Baltimore has express lanes for a toll. I-75 in Florida (Alligator Alley)
I-10 West in Houston (Katy Freeway) has a toll lane you can take if you don't have enough passengers to qualify for HOV. The rate even adjusts based on traffic volume.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:23 pm to White Bear
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"Us" meaning the road construction contractors, CE's, etc and others that stood to rake it in if this tax would've been inacted?
You aren't wrong in that those groups will reap some benefit, but before major improvements are made to the highways and bridges, those same groups will be involved. Do you think something is just going to shite another Miss. River Bridge? It's going to have to be designed and built and nobody on this earth is going to do it for free. Money is going to have to be collected from somewhere BEFORE that bridge shows up. Where do you propose it come from? I can tell you, no matter what you cut out of the budget, that kind of money is not there.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:27 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:my fricking paycheck but seriously...our corrupt leaders over the years (and the current ones)are the ones to blame.there is no trust in our leaders to spend the money how it should be spent.
What good or service can you think of that you consume that hasn't been adjusted for inflation or costs?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:38 pm to The Sad Banana
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for the state of Louisiana to allocate only to transportation and infrastructure.
How naive.
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