- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Why is Eddie Vedder popular and Scott Stapp not?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:33 pm to Nutriaitch
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:33 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:What is the 'grunge sound?' I've never found most of the bands considered grunge to sound like they were the same style of rock music. Nevermind, Ten, and Facelift, for example, all sound like different genres to me.
and once Alice In Chains found that grunge look and sound, they were simply better at it than the rest.
It seems to me like a term that was coined to differentiate it from what it wasn't, which at the time was late 80's-early 90's hair band slop like Winger, Slaughter, and Nelson, as well as popular hard rock and metal bands of the era, like GnR and Metallica, and was basically a catch-all term for early 90's alternative rock.
2
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:35 pm to Obtuse1
My guy.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:48 pm to The Third Leg
quote:How old are you? Nevermind knocked Michael Jackson out of the #1 Billboard spot and was 5 x platinum already before his death.
Nothing from that era ever caught Nevermind as far as popularity, sales, and lasting impact.
Cobains suicide sold a lot of records.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:51 pm to OweO
quote:
You sure? I like Nirvana.. I remember well after he had killed and having conversations with people who thought Nirvana was "too commercial" when it came to alternative. Back then you were considered a "sell out" by some if you "went corporate" and that "the real ones" stayed underground. Nirvana was with Interscope right? That's pretty fricking "commercial".
They blew up with Nevermind and it was produced to be widely accepted. But they failed to build momentum on a tour. Actually did not play many US shows after Nevermind, played a lot abroad. I think they sold out for the money and didn’t want to be the mainstream pop rock icons they were becoming.
They seemed to go back closer to their roots of bleach with In Utero. Very raw production. They also had it banned from wal mart at release, lost out on a big portion of middle America in album sales. They’d have caved immediately, before release, if they were chasing stardom.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:53 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
How old are you? Nevermind knocked Michael Jackson out of the #1 Billboard spot and was 5 x platinum already before his death.
Lol. I’m 40+ - it was my favorite album of childhood. First I ever bought.
I’m not saying it’s the reason for Nevermind success, but his death sent their sales skyrocketing. Including Nevermind.
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:53 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
What is the 'grunge sound?' I've never found most of the bands considered grunge to sound like they were the same style of rock music. Nevermind, Ten, and Facelift, for example, all sound like different genres to me.
I'm definitely not the right person to put into words a description for the sound.
quote:
It seems to me like a term that was coined to differentiate it from what it wasn't,
that's a fair definition too.
but it also wasn't the rest of Rock coming out in that timeframe that all gets lumped in as "Alternative Rock"
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:08 pm to The Third Leg
quote:Including Nevermind? Your post and my response were only about Nevermind. I’m glad you’ve now backed off the idea that Cobain’s suicide made the album successful. That claim is laughable. But in your post, whether you meant to or not, you strongly implied that the popularity, sales, and lasting impact of Nevermind were little more than byproducts of his death.
Lol. I’m 40+ - it was my favorite album of childhood. First I ever bought.
I’m not saying it’s the reason for Nevermind success, but his death sent their sales skyrocketing. Including Nevermind.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:11 pm to TigrrrDad
quote:
Nah, Creed & Stapp are much better.
No dude
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:18 pm to northshorebamaman
lol. I haven’t backed off, it was a simple miscommunication. That clearly wasn’t my intent or claim. It was just a quip in response to us talking about how much better Nevermind performed over Ten and other alt rock breakthroughs, as I had compared STP to Ten. I have no idea how many they had sold at the time of his death, but his death accelerated sales out past a point where Ten would never even get close, though it was massively successful. And a top 50 selling album of the decade.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:20 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
What is the 'grunge sound?' I've never found most of the bands considered grunge to sound like they were the same style of rock music. Nevermind, Ten, and Facelift, for example, all sound like different genres to me.
Typically IMO, dark ruminating lyrics, atypical song structure, Seattle hippy/alternative appearance, but I’m sure others could easily add (or subtract). For example, no one would say PJ isn’t grunge but many of they’re songs (especially the hits) are much brighter/positive or neutral than AIC, Soundgarden, Nirvana, STP (notable exceptions like Garden, Black) and also often have a traditional structure (verse chorus, verse, chorus, solo, chorus). AIC and Nirvana were all over the place, structure wise.
Not any all knowing opinion by any means just discussion.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:46 pm to The Third Leg
quote:
I have no idea how many they had sold at the time of his death, but his death accelerated sales out past a point where Ten would never even get close, though it was massively successful. And a top 50 selling album of the decade.
where Nevermind smokes Ten is in global sales.
here in the US, those 2 albums have been neck and neck with each otters pretty much since '91.
as of Dec. '24 both are listed at 13 million copies sold in the US.
but globally, it's not even close
Nevermind is up over 30 million copies sold
Ten is around 17 million copies sold
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:56 pm to Havoc
quote:Thanks. That's one of the better explanations I've seen.
Typically IMO, dark ruminating lyrics, atypical song structure, Seattle hippy/alternative appearance, but I’m sure others could easily add (or subtract). For example, no one would say PJ isn’t grunge but many of they’re songs (especially the hits) are much brighter/positive or neutral than AIC, Soundgarden, Nirvana, STP (notable exceptions like Garden, Black) and also often have a traditional structure (verse chorus, verse, chorus, solo, chorus). AIC and Nirvana were all over the place, structure wise.
Not any all knowing opinion by any means just discussion.
Grunge has always puzzled me as a genre label—even back when I was a teenager and a fan of most of the bands tagged with it. To me, it feels like the product of a monolithic, MTV-driven media culture that didn’t quite know how to categorize the wave of new rock bands suddenly dominating pop culture.
The first big wave (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains) shared some geographic, aesthetic, and philosophical overlap, so the press lumped them together as “Seattle grunge,” and eventually just “grunge.” That label stuck, even if it never fit cleanly. The fact that someone included Perry Farrell on his list of “grunge singers” on the first page shows how confused some people still are with the term.
Like you, just my opinion.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:57 pm to Meauxjeaux
Eddie Vedder is the prime example of someone I enthusiastically listened to back in the day and now I hear him and my only reaction is, "What the hell was I thinking?"
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:04 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:I was never a big PJ fan, but I received my first CD player (a Sony Discman) and a copy of Vs. for my 15th birthday, which was the only CD I had for a few weeks, and that one is an absolute classic. I also thought Ten was ok, but never really cared for them after those.
Eddie Vedder is the prime example of someone I enthusiastically listened to back in the day and now I hear him and my only reaction is, "What the hell was I thinking?"
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:15 pm to MyRockstarComplex
quote:
Without the Pixies, Kurt would have had no one to rip off for Smells Like Teen Spirit and the revolution would have been muted.
"I have to admit, when I heard the Pixies for the first time, I connected with that band so heavily that I should have been in that band — or at least a Pixies cover band. We used their sense of dynamics, being soft and quiet, and then loud and hard." - Kurt Cobain
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:25 pm to SEClint
quote:
They both fricking suck
Staaaap
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:48 pm to Nutriaitch
Yep. And if you look at when they each hit diamond, 10 million in US sales, nirvana was 1999, and Pearl Jam wasn’t until 2013.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 7:11 pm to LazloHollyfeld
quote:
How exactly does a posi-trac rear-end on a Plymouth work? It just does
To be fair and show my Mopar nerdom Mopar did not have positive-trac rearends. They were suregrips.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 7:29 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
To me, it feels like the product of a monolithic, MTV-driven media culture that didn’t quite know how to categorize the wave of new rock bands suddenly dominating pop culture.
I think that’s exactly what it was. Some great documentaries on it out there btw.
I like them all, I love STP the most (grunge or rock whatever), but think AIC is the perfect example, followed closely by Nirvana.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 7:49 pm to brewhan davey
quote:Saw them as a teenager in the late 90s. Saw them again in the early 2010s (a couple years before he died), and his showmanship was on another level. He started off the show wearing a full tuxedo and top hat. By the end he had stripped down to whitey tidies.
Weiland had more vocal range than Vedder and Stapp, too. His voice on Tiny Music…Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop sounds completely different than his voice on Core and even Purple. He was such a talent.
Page 7 of 8
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News