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Posted on 2/6/23 at 2:19 pm to BabyTac
Happy it is, i enjoy drinking
Posted on 2/6/23 at 2:32 pm to BabyTac
Effective lobbying dollars.
And because we need it.
And because we need it.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 2:40 pm to Darth_Vader
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This is what boggles my mind as to why anyone would want hard drugs to be legal. We have in Portland, San Francisco, and other major cities as what it looks like when you have large numbers of homeless junkies encamped in a city. Help me understand who would want to live in a city like this…
You do know these cities were like that LOOOOONG before legalization, right? What's the point of arresting these people? We pay for every single person in a jail or prison, so it hard to take people serious when they bitch about what we pay as taxpayers, then want the police to put mass amounts of people in jail for a minor drug charge.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 2:49 pm to GeauxOCDP
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You do know these cities were like that LOOOOONG before legalization, right? What's the point of arresting these people? We pay for every single person in a jail or prison, so it hard to take people serious when they bitch about what we pay as taxpayers, then want the police to put mass amounts of people in jail for a minor drug charge.
Not to mention it does nothing to address the problem.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:00 pm to WG_Dawg
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Take any "normal", average anytown-USA that alllowed free use of drugs and it'd be fine. "But SF does it and they're awful!!" yes they're awful because there's no rules and you can do it anywhere you please. If you had to do certain drugs within a residence or else face legal punishment it wouldn't be an issue. Similar to how most places don't let you just chill out in public and get shitfaced, you ahve to do it in a home or restaurant or bar or an establishment that serves.
So do you think your average meth head or heroin junky will get up and go to work then come home at night and do their drugs in the privacy of their home not bothering anyone?
There is a reason the homeless population is exploding and it’s not for lack of economic opportunities. It’s due to hardcore drug addiction. Junkies very commonly end up homeless. That’s what’s happened in these cities that don’t enforce drug laws, all those homeless camps in those cities are full of junkies.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:05 pm to waiting4saturday
quote:And you would declare drug prohibition a success?
They tried prohibition but that really didn’t work.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:05 pm to Darth_Vader
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So do you think your average meth head or heroin junky will get up and go to work then come home at night and do their drugs in the privacy of their home not bothering anyone?
Do they now?
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That’s what’s happened in these cities that don’t enforce drug laws, all those homeless camps in those cities are full of junkies.
You realize jail isn't just free, right? Not to mention court appearances, lawyers, etc.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:08 pm to Darth_Vader
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So do you think your average meth head or heroin junky will get up and go to work then come home at night and do their drugs in the privacy of their home not bothering anyone?
probably not. I also don't think a meth head or heroin junky is going to be affected by whether those drugs or legal or not so not sure how that factors into this.
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There is a reason the homeless population is exploding and it’s not for lack of economic opportunities. It’s due to hardcore drug addiction. Junkies very commonly end up homeless.
Yes I agree. Whether heroin is legal or not has no bearing on the subject though.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:09 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:It's also illegal to drink in many public spaces. The problem in those cities you mentioned isn't the legalization...it's the refusal to clear homeless junkies off the street and allow them to go at their craft in the open.
This is what boggles my mind as to why anyone would want hard drugs to be legal. We have in Portland, San Francisco, and other major cities as what it looks like when you have large numbers of homeless junkies encamped in a city. Help me understand who would want to live in a city like this…
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:11 pm to Darth_Vader
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It’s due to hardcore drug addiction. Junkies very commonly end up homeless. That’s what’s happened in these cities that don’t enforce drug laws, all those homeless camps in those cities are full of junkies.
Don't let junkies camp on city streets, don't hand out food to junkies and the epidemic ends.
As long as government subsidizes abuse, you'll have more people abusing.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:13 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Your rhetoric makes assumptions that muddy the waters. Contrary to (government-propaganda-advanced) popular narratives around drugs, the vast majority of heroin (and meth) users are essentially functional or quasi-functional recreational users.
So do you think your average meth head or heroin junky
quote:It's not even clear that it is. What is more likely happening is nationwide junkies are seeking out relatively lawless havens like SF because they know they can.
There is a reason the homeless population is exploding and it’s not for lack of economic opportunities
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:16 pm to BabyTac
B/c the government makes money off it. Same reason marijuana is becoming legal.
They would make murder legal if they could find a way to tax it.
They would make murder legal if they could find a way to tax it.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:20 pm to Big Scrub TX
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There is a reason the homeless population is exploding and it’s not for lack of economic opportunities
It's not even clear that it is.
Definitely happened in Co and Washington, the two earliest adopters.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:25 pm to WG_Dawg
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Take any "normal", average anytown-USA that alllowed free use of drugs and it'd be fine. "But SF does it and they're awful!!" yes they're awful because there's no rules and you can do it anywhere you please. If you had to do certain drugs within a residence or else face legal punishment it wouldn't be an issue. Similar to how most places don't let you just chill out in public and get shitfaced, you ahve to do it in a home or restaurant or bar or an establishment that serves.
You can't possibly believe this.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:27 pm to WG_Dawg
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I also don't think a meth head or heroin junky is going to be affected by whether those drugs or legal or not so not sure how that factors into this.
We need to end collective responsibility. Let people use what they want, let those people fail if necessary.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:54 pm to SlimTigerSlap
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You can't possibly believe this.
believe...what? Anywhere I've ever lived has had laws against open containers. People still get shitfaced in other places but lo and behold I don't see people sitting on the sidewalks pounding beers. Why? Because they'd be arrested.
If cocaine was legal but there were strict requirements about it's purchase and consumption I don't see why that would be any different.
You just have a mental iimage of completely hopeuless heroin junkies sitting in publci slumped over passed out and think that would happen everywhere. Currently it happens in liberal shitholes where it's normal, andit happens in other "regular" places where it's arrestable and is generally met with consquences. Hence why you see it far less in "normal" places compared to places where it's celebrated and encouraaged. And if your argument is about the homeless doing it, the homeless do whatever tf they want already regardless if there's laws against it or not.
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 4:03 pm to BabyTac
I just wish country music would quit making every song about alcohol
Posted on 2/6/23 at 4:32 pm to CatsGoneWild
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I just wish country music would quit making every song about alcohol
Been like this since the 50s. Ain’t stopping anytime soon
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