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re: Why do people think electric cars are somehow better for the environment?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:34 pm to BRbornandraised
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:34 pm to BRbornandraised
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That cost of gasoline also goes up at a greater rate than electricity when the price of oil increases.
It is also about how much gas costs where you live. I live in WA state where gas is over $3/gallon. I bought a plug-in hybrid minivan in October (Chrysler Pacifica, up your minivan game brah). The savings on gas prices is unbelievable.
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The masses wont switch over until electric vehicles are cheaper than gas vehicles. I know I will once they are cheaper.
The Chrysler was ~$46K compared to the Honda Odyssey ~$41K. However, there is the $7,500 federal tax incentive that dropped the price of the Pacifica and made it cheaper to own in the long run. Thus, they are cheaper now.
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How do you recharge and how long does it take?
We trickle charge overnight (110 outlet) and through the day when it is not in use. It takes between 12-13 hours to fully charge from 0% in the evenings because it is only 14 kW battery. I have not purchased the 220V charger yet. It is not economical since we only have to charge a little at a time and we rarely ever have to leave the house at less than 100%.
For the record, it is used as a daily driver and has only gone on a few extended trips over 100 miles. During that time we got ~38mpg. We have just over 5K miles since October; the electricity:gas miles driven is about 3:1.
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:34 pm to Dr RC
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Graphene
Take this however you like- but it is worth noting that China controls nearly 100% of the world's current graphite supply....
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:37 pm to Salmon
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And another question, why are we gonna do with all these batteries when they’ve reached the end of their life?
recycle them
You obviously have no idea what it takes to either produce or recycle a battery. If you did, you wouldn’t be very pro-electric car.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:38 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:The guy telling others they have no idea is the same guy who literally showed that he's 15 years behind on what he thinks the technology for batteries is.
You obviously have no idea what it takes to either produce or recycle a battery. If you did, you wouldn’t be very pro-electric car.
Oh, and he wants that to go away and just hope everyone forgets about that, pretty sure he hates me for continuing to bring it up.
So you think, say, Tesla just has no plans whatsoever for recycling? Maybe Google it, just use the more recent data, not the 2005 stuff, if I may give you some advice.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:39 pm to Darth_Vader
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You obviously have no idea what it takes to either produce or recycle a battery. If you did, you wouldn’t be very pro-electric car.
I'm aware of what it takes
And I'm pro innovation
I'm not going to limit my thoughts on a subject based off what capabilities we have today
That's retarded
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:41 pm to Darth_Vader
Do you have any info which backs your opinion that more emissions are released making a battery than a gas car uses?This may have been true back in 2008 where you like to get your sources from. If you go back and rewatch the video I posted on the first page, he talks about the environmental impact of creating batteries. Combined with everything, including recycling batteries, including CO2 emissions, including mining for lithium... it still doesnt harm as much as a gas engine over its lifetime.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:42 pm to shel311
I didn’t see a date on the story. Keep holding onto that as thought it meant anything.
But even that change the fact you still don’t know shite from shineola when it comes to the environmental impact of making and recycling batteries. If you did, you’d see how the notion that battery powered cars are better for the earth than traditional vehicles is pure horseshite.
But even that change the fact you still don’t know shite from shineola when it comes to the environmental impact of making and recycling batteries. If you did, you’d see how the notion that battery powered cars are better for the earth than traditional vehicles is pure horseshite.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:43 pm to Salmon
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I'm aware of what it takes
LOL. No you don’t. Like I said, if you did, you’d know it’s terrible for the environment.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:44 pm to oleheat
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Graphene
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Take this however you like- but it is worth noting that China controls nearly 100% of the world's current graphite supply....
Well...that's not a constraint in graphene...
Graphene vapor deposition, baw... Graphene Production Facility
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:45 pm to Darth_Vader
You seem to be arguing the false argument that electric cars have zero environmental impact. Nobody is making that argument.
Anything that creates waste is technically bad for the environment.
Anything that creates waste is technically bad for the environment.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:45 pm to BRbornandraised
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Do you have any info which backs your opinion that more emissions are released making a battery than a gas car uses?
Where did I say that? I said it has a bigger overall environmental impact to produce and use electric over internal combustion. And if you knew anything about either, you’d know I was right.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:45 pm to Darth_Vader
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Like I said, if you did, you’d know it’s terrible for the environment.
Where did I state that it wasn't?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:47 pm to Darth_Vader
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LOL. No you don’t. Like I said, if you did, you’d know it’s terrible for the environment.
What's your history with batteries?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:47 pm to Darth_Vader
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But even that change the fact you still don’t know shite from shineola when it comes to the environmental impact of making and recycling batteries. If you did, you’d see how the notion that battery powered cars are better for the earth than traditional vehicles is pure horseshite.
I posted a video of an engineer clearly explaining the science behind it and proving based on scientific data and evidence that you are wrong. I might not know shite from shinola, but I trust the engineer's data and conclusions more than someone making sweeping and definitive statements with absolutely no data to back it up.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:47 pm to Salmon
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You seem to be arguing the false argument that electric cars have zero environmental impact. Nobody is making that argument.
When did I say anyone was arguing they had zero impact? I never said that. I said they have a greater overall environmental impact because of what it takes to first make and then dispose/recycle the batteries.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:48 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Wait, so you're telling me that you basing your opinions on 10-15 year old info does not mean anything?
I didn’t see a date on the story. Keep holding onto that as thought it meant anything.
Further, you basing your opinion on 10-15 year old info, then when presented with the actual data, you make no concessions to your original point, and actually double down on your point based on said 10-15 year old data...all that doesn't mean anything in a discussion about electric cars being better for the environment?
That's not to mention that there has been a shite ton of data thrown at you on every page of this thread, and you've essentially ignored every last bit of it.
quote:I'm confident that I know more than you because you say stuff like this:
But even that change the fact you still don’t know shite from shineola when it comes to the environmental impact of making and recycling batteries.
quote:You think this because, again, you still think the technology is in the 2005 phase, and you've ignored every bit of data that says otherwise that has been posted in this thread.
If you did, you’d see how the notion that battery powered cars are better for the earth than traditional vehicles is pure horseshite.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:48 pm to Darth_Vader
can you prove this with any type of study? I'd be happy to read it.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:49 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Why do you think this even though the data and scientific research say otherwise?
I said it has a bigger overall environmental impact to produce and use electric over internal combustion.
Show us your data, all you've given is so for is just your opinions, nothing more.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:50 pm to BRbornandraised
quote:But Darth said he knows he's right, so that's good enough, right?
I posted a video of an engineer clearly explaining the science behind it and proving based on scientific data and evidence that you are wrong.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 2:52 pm to Dam Guide
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What's your history with batteries?
You mean other than working with a team that’s developing a hybrid diesel powered track-type tractor? Specifically supporting the team by trying to answer the question of the lifecycle cost impact of said batteries on owning such a tractor? Or working on the cost and logistics required to support dealers with their needs for these batteries, imcluding charging, changing, and disposal of batteries?
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