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Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:19 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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What do people do today when they see somebody in (sometimes life-threatening) distress? Do they stop to help? Intervene? Usually not. They simply whip out their camera phones so they can video and post another human beings misery to Facebook or Instagram.
I really like the ones videoing that are heard yelling "Someone needs to help this person." as they continue to video and do nothing else.
When my stepdaughter was in high school I'd pick her up in the afternoons and sometimes go sit in a local coffee shop waiting for her to meet me there. I'd see dozens of teenage gals in the shop after school sitting around tables texting on their phones-----to others in the same room, instead of having a conversation face to face, eye to eye.
I've never understood that mentality and never will.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:27 am to ILoveYou
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the United States is in much better shape in most ways than it was 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago
And none of the reasons for why that is so have anything to do with social media.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:37 am to ILoveYou
Social media gave lunatics on the fringe of society a national soapbox and megaphone.
Which by itself isn't bad. We used to just ignore psychotic lunatics. But then our MSM started pandering to these people and reporting their feelings as national trends.
This in turn had a two fold effect. It created more fringe lunatics crying for the attention their horrendous parents never gave them and it validated every crazy person with insane thoughts and opinions.
Then politicians and institutions started following the lead of the MSM.
It's snowballed to this insane society we live in now where the opinions of the vast majority are cast aside for the ignorant ramblings of fools. Rather than diagnose and treat mental illness or educate extreme ignorance we now have a society and national media that champion ignorance and insanity and shun and beat back education and common sense.
Now you take this problem of these fringe lunatics whose ideas are now blasted constantly all over media and you add in emotionally and hormonally unstable teenagers and you get many of the problems the youth are facing today. Increased depression and suicide and overwhelming feelings of loneliness and detachment.
This next generation of kids who are currently under the age of 13 are being raised in an arse backwards society and will yield some fascinating results. They'll either rebel against all this insanity or they'll fold into it.
It'll be interesting to see how far down this rabbit hole we go before something collectively snaps.
Which by itself isn't bad. We used to just ignore psychotic lunatics. But then our MSM started pandering to these people and reporting their feelings as national trends.
This in turn had a two fold effect. It created more fringe lunatics crying for the attention their horrendous parents never gave them and it validated every crazy person with insane thoughts and opinions.
Then politicians and institutions started following the lead of the MSM.
It's snowballed to this insane society we live in now where the opinions of the vast majority are cast aside for the ignorant ramblings of fools. Rather than diagnose and treat mental illness or educate extreme ignorance we now have a society and national media that champion ignorance and insanity and shun and beat back education and common sense.
Now you take this problem of these fringe lunatics whose ideas are now blasted constantly all over media and you add in emotionally and hormonally unstable teenagers and you get many of the problems the youth are facing today. Increased depression and suicide and overwhelming feelings of loneliness and detachment.
This next generation of kids who are currently under the age of 13 are being raised in an arse backwards society and will yield some fascinating results. They'll either rebel against all this insanity or they'll fold into it.
It'll be interesting to see how far down this rabbit hole we go before something collectively snaps.
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 9:39 am
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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another data point is the dramatic increase of loneliness with the proliferation of social media
i think rates of teen depression have also skyrocketed
Objectively social media has had this negative affect on society. People are also more prone to attach themselves to fringe ideas and believe it's mainstream.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think rates of teen depression have also skyrocketed
They have, along with suicide, since about 2010.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:42 am to whoisnickdoobs
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Dude said about 15 cars passed and we were the first people to stop. One car rolled down the window told him they were calling 911 and drove off. Pretty damn sad.
It's called the bystander effect and it has absolutely nothing to do with social media.
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Drive through LSU's campus during class hours. Look at the bus stops. Everyone has their phone pulled out looking at social media and there's little to no face to face interaction.
So like books and magazines before? If I'm waiting for a bus, I'm not just sitting there bored.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:47 am to ILoveYou
Most of us grew up having at least some semblance of respect and admiration for our parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins, and people we went to school with. Facebook became an outlet for so many people, and we learned how many people who we thought were intelligent .. are actually not at all.
The complete lack of literacy blew me away. People with important jobs, some even with college educations, unable to form a complete sentence using correctly spelled words in the right form.
And not just that, the backwoods opinions that I had no idea some people held. Or the lack of debate skills. Seeing Aunt Susan typing misspelled sentences in all caps, telling someone they should be murdered, was pretty damn eye opening.
Social media is a place where all societal norms go out the window and people feel that can say whatever they want. That behavior was bound to affect our society.
The complete lack of literacy blew me away. People with important jobs, some even with college educations, unable to form a complete sentence using correctly spelled words in the right form.
And not just that, the backwoods opinions that I had no idea some people held. Or the lack of debate skills. Seeing Aunt Susan typing misspelled sentences in all caps, telling someone they should be murdered, was pretty damn eye opening.
Social media is a place where all societal norms go out the window and people feel that can say whatever they want. That behavior was bound to affect our society.
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 8:48 am
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:56 am to whoisnickdoobs
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This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 8:57 am
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:59 am to TH03
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It's called the bystander effect and it has absolutely nothing to do with social media.
It does when they start videotaping or taking pictures to post on social media instead of helping out.
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So like books and magazines before? If I'm waiting for a bus, I'm not just sitting there bored.
Not at all Books and magazines don't send friend requests, snap chat you back, or give you likes.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 8:59 am to ILoveYou
quote:People are different are any worse or shittier now than before.
Why do people blame social media for the downfall of society?
Sure, it gives attention seekers their means.
But social media, especially Facebook, seems to get
The only difference is it's easier to see the shitty people being shitty.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:03 am to whoisnickdoobs
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It does when they start videotaping or taking pictures to post on social media instead of helping out
Not really. The bystander effect is decades old research. There are plenty of downfalls to social media. We don't need to blame it for things that have existed in human nature since the beginning.
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Not at all Books and magazines don't send friend requests, snap chat you back, or give you likes.
That doesn't matter. If the downfall of social media is the likes and instant gratification and all that, that's fine. You can't then take that, create a bunch of scenarios where accessing social media sucks, then say that's a downfall of social media. We've already established the main reason it sucks. No need to say "yeah and it sucks here too."
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 9:04 am
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:05 am to TH03
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like books and magazines before?
Reading books improves brain functions and helps develop education.
Scrolling through Facebook and Twitter feeds does not
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:07 am to Breesus
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Reading books improves brain functions and helps develop education.
And magazines?
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Scrolling through Facebook and Twitter feeds does not
They could be reading books too just on their phone. Or news articles, etc. Not everyone looking at their phone is scrolling mindlessly through Twitter.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:09 am to TH03
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And magazines?
If you're reading a magazine with articles and stories, then yes. If you're flipping through the ads and pictures in Vogue, then no.
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They could be reading books too just on their phone. Or news articles, etc. Not everyone looking at their phone is scrolling mindlessly through Twitter.
Good lord dude. What do you think the ratio of people reading books to scrolling through social media is? 1500:1? 10000:1?
This post was edited on 5/24/18 at 9:10 am
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:14 am to ILoveYou
It just accelerated it thats all
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:20 am to Breesus
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Good lord dude. What do you think the ratio of people reading books to scrolling through social media is? 1500:1? 10000:1?
I didn't say most were reading books. Maybe you should read more to get your comprehension up.
It entirely depends on the setting. Guy in business casual at Starbucks with a laptop also infront of him? Probably working. Girl in jeans on the subway? Probably a mindless scroller.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:34 am to Breesus
quote:This is a perfect summary! All of this is why social media is garbage.
Social media gave lunatics on the fringe of society a national soapbox and megaphone.
Which by itself isn't bad. We used to just ignore psychotic lunatics. But then our MSM started pandering to these people and reporting their feelings as national trends.
This in turn had a two fold effect. It created more fringe lunatics crying for the attention their horrendous parents never gave them and it validated every crazy person with insane thoughts and opinions.
Then politicians and institutions started following the lead of the MSM.
It's snowballed to this insane society we live in now where the opinions of the vast majority are cast aside for the ignorant ramblings of fools. Rather than diagnose and treat mental illness or educate extreme ignorance we now have a society and national media that champion ignorance and insanity and shun and beat back education and common sense.
Now you take this problem of these fringe lunatics whose ideas are now blasted constantly all over media and you add in emotionally and harmonally unstable teenagers and you get many of the problems the youth are facing today. Increased depression and suicide and overwhelming feelings of loneliness and detachment.
That, in addition to what nurse said.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:36 am to TH03
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It does when they start videotaping or taking pictures to post on social media instead of helping out
Not really. The bystander effect is decades old research. There are plenty of downfalls to social media. We don't need to blame it for things that have existed in human nature since the beginning.
You really don't think that standing around videotaping shite and taking photos to post on social media has anything to do with social media?
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Not at all Books and magazines don't send friend requests, snap chat you back, or give you likes.
That doesn't matter. If the downfall of social media is the likes and instant gratification and all that, that's fine. You can't then take that, create a bunch of scenarios where accessing social media sucks, then say that's a downfall of social media. We've already established the main reason it sucks. No need to say "yeah and it sucks here too.
I'm not really sure what your argument is, but it's pretty obvious to me that the internet/ social media is a cause in people losing social skills. I guess you can argue otherwise, but this is just my observation.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 9:40 am to whoisnickdoobs
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Not at all Books and magazines don't send friend requests, snap chat you back, or give you likes.
What the hell does this have to do with anything? So now we are judging the CONTENT of what someone is reading? I assure you there were plenty of people before social media sitting a bus stops or waiting rooms reading tabloids, Cosmopolitan magazines, or some other low level entertainment.
LOL @ you if you think everyone was interacting with strangers between reading scholarly articles while waiting at a bus stop.
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It does when they start videotaping or taking pictures to post on social media instead of helping out.
You said cars passed by, did you not?
This is nothing new. I know if I passed that situation, I’d never have thought to go into a business and ask for an extinguisher so stopping wouldn’t do the dude much good. All I could do is call 911, which you yourself said one of the passers did.
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