re: Why do men still get conned into marriage when there are no benefits for men to marry?

quote:

---

be further away from Jesus every generation.

---

Society is already secular as frick, even people like you who believe you're not, are secular in every sense of the word outside of the religious mutterings you may partake from time to time.

quote:

---

But at the end of the day marriage is simply a legal contract unless you're a religious person that sees marriage in a religious context.

---

I mean, you can see it that way and if you do, that’s all it will ever be.

Another way to look at it is this: Marriage is the bedrock of nuclear families. It is the smallest individual component of community …this is why weddings have always been community events. You’re creating a new entity/household in the community and it is celebrated as such.

That requires a commitment greater than “we’ll just live together”. This isn’t a religious thing. It’s a construct that binds societies together and creates a continuity that is important for everyone in the society.

It is also the safest/most reliable construct in which to raise children. Research bares this out.

Studies have also shown that married men live longer and have fewer health issues as they age.

There are tons of benefits for everyone, not just the people tying the knot.

quote:

---

I think you're missing the religious roots of marriage.

---

I’m not. What I’m saying is that the fact that a, let’s say, tenant of marriage has religious origin doesn’t mean that it isn’t pragmatic and applicable to people who don’t adhere to whatever religion originated it.

What I’m not understanding why something “being religious” means it’s off limits to people who are agnostic/atheist. I grew up agnostic but my parents instilled a few different judeo-Christian values simply because they seemed to work

quote:

---

how are you passing on your values outside of a religious context?

---

quote:

---

Religious marriage fair better in every respect than secular marriages.

---

See above.

quote:

---

Such as? Materialistic things?

---

I just listed two. There’s plenty of research on this that’s easily google-able.

The “downsides” of marriage are certainly real, but they’re overstated IMO and outweighed by the benefits of a healthy marriage.

quote:

---

Evolutionarily speaking

---

I recognize this in the past, but I think we are a little more evolved than not knowing who our children are. It’s probably more an evolutionary advantage to belong to a group, and expressed today as religion or populism.

Traditionally marriage was between cousins, but the Catholic Church went on a crusade to breakup tight kin based relationships, probably for power and money.

Poontang is undefeated.

quote:

---

Andrew Tate says to knock up South American women, send them $100/month per kid, visit 3x a year, and live "free" in America or elsewhere 

---

Seems like it would be easier to do in some Asian country.

quote:

---

Let me see, I can either..

(a) get married, only be allowed to be with this one woman, and if we break up she gets half of my assets.

(b) see all of the women I want, and if I want her out of my life it only takes a phone call. And I get to keep my money.

---

I was like you until I met my wife. There's more to a real relationship than just sex (and that goes for both people in the relationship). The kicker here that no one ever seems to want to talk about is that not everyone is marriage material. It takes being trustworthy, being able and willing to trust another and willing to work through issues together (which generally includes a healthy bit of introspection to determine where/how/if you were wrong, own it, then apologize for it) rather than tossing around blame and holding onto grudges. Many people never make it to that point (as evidenced by the high number of divorces).

If you can ever become that person and meet someone else who is also that person, a solid, healthy relationship is the best thing anyone could ever experience.

Sex is better when it's with someone you have a deep, fulfilling relationship. It doesn't mean you don't find others physically attractive, it's that you're adult enough to put it in perspective. You realize that a quick bang with a hottie isn't worth losing this wonderous relationship you have and certainly not worth putting your SO through such pain.

quote:

---

Why can't you just be in a monogamous life long relationship without bringing a government into it?

---

You do you. To me, it comes across as needing a quick out in case one (or both) aren't really ready for a relationship with the other. I get it though, sometimes people can be incredibly sly in their ability to deceive, thus why we have pre-nups (especially among the wealthy). This is why it's important to not just rush into marriage, but wait to make sure you both are honestly ready for the commitment to each other for who they really are and not your idealized version of them (which also goes back to both parties having to represent themselves honestly).

Getting married to the right person was the best decision I've ever made.

It was told to me years ago when I was a rowdy 30 something and never married.

Most successful people won't take you seriously if you're older and have never been married.

I had NO idea why at the time, but now that I AM married, I get it. You just look at people differently when you know they have a family to motivate them.

Its so much easier to remain single, care about only yourself and a few family members, and have no real responsibilities other than a mortgage, maybe a business to run, etc.

You can fight it and quote Red Pill autists til you die, but its fact.

quote:

---

Most successful people won't take you seriously if you're older and have never been married.

---

Define "successful" please.