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re: Why do humans default to pessimism?

Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:18 pm to
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:18 pm to
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Sounds like something I'd like to read. Do you remember the titles? I'm currently reading Buddha's Brain.


I highly recommend Sapiens:A Brief History of Mankind
Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:19 pm to
I default to pessimism because I'm a State fan.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:20 pm to
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I highly recommend Sapiens:A Brief History of Mankind



actually next on my reading list
Posted by sabes que
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:21 pm to
You are on to something in the fear of death. A lot of times our fears/worries go deeper than we perceive, and a lot of times the fear of death is the real fear. It’s like anxiety attacks, what is someone having an anxiety attack really afraid of, their heart beating fast? One’s heart beats fast during exercise and during excitement but it doesn’t cause worry or stress. The real fear is dying(and possibly embarrassment if around others). Same thing with losing a job, one doesn’t really fear losing their job, they fear not having income and possibly losing respect or pride.
Posted by chryso
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:23 pm to
A pessimist is an optimist with experience.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:24 pm to
what experience in today's life would lead someone to believe we are headed to a Civil War soon?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:24 pm to
we evolved with a scarcity mindset and a different view is something that has come about in the past...50 years? for only a portion of humanity
Posted by touchdownjeebus
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:26 pm to
There is actually a scientific answer to this. We are virtually little machines, and when we experience different emotions, our bodies are flooded with different hormones and chemicals. The negative emotions dump more of those chemicals for survival. Unfortunately, because we are inundated with information, social media, etc. the frequency of these events are more and more common, and we have become addicted to those chemicals.

It’s much like a person who consistently makes horrible decisions, or a person who chooses a certain type of mate over and over. Physically they are addicted to those hormones, and subconsciously make shitty choices.

The way to correct this behavior is to consciously do things that flood your body with the good chemicals. Go work out, take a walk in nature, really appreciate music, etc. When you are faced with a decision or you feel yourself descending into negativity, do one of those activities, then revisit your choices.

I know it sounds hokey, but it’s legit.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:29 pm to
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It’s much like a person who consistently makes horrible decisions, or a person who chooses a certain type of mate over and over. Physically they are addicted to those hormones, and subconsciously make shitty choices.


yeah I'm fascinated by the drivers behind this type of stuff

like why can some people recognize when they need to take a break and why others can't

it can't be all genetic, some of it has to be learned behavior

I'm fascinated on how to offset these terrible learned behaviors that plague us
Posted by touchdownjeebus
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:34 pm to
It’s 100% chemical. They’ve become addicted to the chemicals our cave man bodies released to protect us. Ever watch someone spin out of control? It is like watching a drug addict getting their fix.

I fell into this trap when I was younger. I grew up in a shitty situation, so that dump of chemicals were quite frequent and it took me several years to realize exactly what was happening. As soon as I figured it out, I made MUCH better decisions and virtually all of the drama disappeared.

Now when I experience that negativity, I sprint far the frick away from it, lol.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:34 pm to
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I'm fascinated on how to offset these terrible learned behaviors that plague us


The evolutionary answer is let those traits die out.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:36 pm to
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The evolutionary answer is let those traits die out.


true

but my perspective is more as a parent, as how I can prevent my kids from this behavior

if I can recognize what environmental factors play a role in this, I could delete them

Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:40 pm to
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but my perspective is more as a parent, as how I can prevent my kids from this behavior

if I can recognize what environmental factors play a role in this, I could delete them



Thats the tricky part, we have no instinctual ability to figure that out. Talking straight from an animal standpoint, do we shelter our young from that? Do we show it to them and drill into their conscious its wrong?

Honestly, at the end of the day, hope they come from a strong mental genetic pool as I think we've figured out we can't teach it to the young at a macro level.

It's heady stuff, but is fascinating.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 1:41 pm
Posted by touchdownjeebus
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:55 pm to
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as a parent, as how I can prevent my kids from this behavior


So this is how I deal with it. When my daughter gets all spun up, a soothe her. That changes which chemicals are being dumped. Then I ask her to re-assess what is going on. Then I ask her where does she believe the tipping point was. Finally, I ask her what could she do to prevent this from happening again. Bro, she’s 11 and she gets it 50% of the time already.

The trick is to not create a new addiction where your child gets all spun up in order to be soothed. That’s very common with kids who misbehave as well.
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