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re: Why do atheist people love to debate people?
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:36 pm to Nevada
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:36 pm to Nevada
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Pascal's wager is a philosophical argument presented by the seventeenth-century French mathematician, philosopher, physicist and theologian Blaise Pascal (1623–1662). It posits that human beings wager with their lives that God either exists or does not.
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Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:36 pm to bobBoxer
They don't have anything better to do, same as the religious folks that are debating them.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:37 pm to scrooster
Pascal’s Wager is a bit weird though because it’s based on a potentially fabricated story. So while I understand the concept of it, it means nothing unless you decide to acknowledge having faith in something that common sense tells you isn’t real. Not trying to push the debate further. Just an observation.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:38 pm to bobBoxer
Christian man: Hey let me tell you about Jesus who is King!
Atheist: Oh i dont believe in a god, sorry.
Christian man: Stop preaching to me!!!!
Atheist: Oh i dont believe in a god, sorry.
Christian man: Stop preaching to me!!!!
This post was edited on 7/30/23 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:38 pm to Nevada
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If God does not exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.)
This is only true if you don’t get priest diddled.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:38 pm to bobBoxer
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Why do atheist people love to debate people?
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Even when I was younger my mom and dad would argue about religion pretty much everyday.
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I have never really been a religious person
Here’s your answer. Your dad won.
This post was edited on 7/30/23 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:42 pm to bobBoxer
Those types of atheists are complete embarrassments with no life
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:43 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:44 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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Christian man: Hey let me tell you about Jesus who is King! Atheist: Oh i dont believe in a god, sorry. Christian man: Stop preaching to me!!!!
More like this usually:
Christian guy: Please pray for my mom. Her cancer is coming back
Atheist: god isn’t real. Praying is useless.
The types OP is talking about are like vegans that can’t help but go around telling everyone they don’t believe in god
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:46 pm to Nevada
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Pascal's wager is a philosophical argument presented by the seventeenth-century French mathematician, philosopher, physicist and theologian Blaise Pascal (1623–1662). It posits that human beings wager with their lives that God either exists or does not.
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas if God does exist, they stand to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (an eternity in Hell).
The original wager was set out in Pascal's posthumously published Pensées ("Thoughts"), an assembly of previously unpublished notes. Pascal's wager marked the first formal use of decision theory, existentialism, pragmatism, and voluntarism.
The wager is commonly criticized with counterarguments such as the failure to prove the existence of God, the argument from inconsistent revelations, and the argument from inauthentic belief.
Yes, that's it in a nutshell ... straight from Wiki I assume.
Thanks for taking the time to look it up. You learned something today, right?
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:46 pm to StringedInstruments
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They say they either don’t know or don’t care and move on.
This pretty much where I'm at with religion
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:46 pm to bobBoxer
The majority of self proclaimed atheists are actually just attention seekers that have realized a topic what most humans are willing to argue and debate
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:49 pm to financetiger38
Yep. I made a long post on FB after my doc cleared me from cancer a year ago, thanking family and friends for helping me through it. In the comments a distant cousin wrote "Praise God", and an old atheist acquaintance from college tore right into them. Didn't make a comment about the post, never messaged me about how I was doing or anything- just saw my cousin comment that and went triggered schitzo. Fastest unfriend and apology I've written.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:50 pm to bobBoxer
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I'm at my dads house and he's watching some YouTuber who's always trying to debate religious people. Even when I was younger my mom and dad would argue about religion pretty much everyday. I have never really been a religious person but if someone wants to pray I have no problem just putting my head down and thinking about my mom. I just don't understand the need to argue about it or get upset it, especially if it doesn't personally affect you, but maybe somebody here could help me understand
Observation bias.
The only atheists you’re aware of are the ones who make themselves known. However, your default is to assume that everyone you meet is a theist unless they give you reason to believe otherwise. The result is that you believe that some theists are outspoken and argumentative, but not all. But that all atheists are outspoken and argumentative.
The reality is that you likely interact with atheists every day and have no idea that they are atheists.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:54 pm to bobBoxer
desperate need for some type of acceptance.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:55 pm to Nevada
quote:I had a friend invite me to church a couple times but I didn't do it because I felt like I couldn't really put my heart in it. I didnt want to do it because it felt like cheating. My mom used to take me to church when I was younger, my dad would get pissed off yelling, "don't believe any of that shite it's bullshite, why did you take him up there". Last time I went, I was about 13 years old
Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas if God does exist, they stand to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (an eternity in Hell).
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:56 pm to scrooster
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ETA: Whenever one of them tries that bullshite on me I always hit them with Pascal's Wager and that usually causes them to either stutter or they'll start screaming or they just huff and puff and stfu and walk off mumbling some other nonsensical bullshite.
Pascal’s Wager is laughably easy to deal with. Its underlying assumption is that if a god exists, it’s the Judeo-Christian version of god. If any other version of god can exist, it falls apart. For example, what if there is a god, but that god prefers non believers to believers of “false” religions? Or what if said god has a specific distaste for people who only follow a religion because it’s the “better bet”? Etc, etc. There are infinite possible permutations of god, if god exists. And in that paradigm, Pascal’s Wager is utterly impotent.
Its only real use is when engaging in apologetics with former/lapsed/vacillating Christians.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 2:09 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Why do atheist people love to debate people?
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Even when I was younger my mom and dad would argue about religion pretty much everyday.
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I have never really been a religious person
Here’s your answer. Your dad won.
Not really, on this same channel they were bringing up the trans topic and the same guy that wanted to talk facts when it came to religion, was talking about "just let people be who they want to be, just call them what they want to be called, why does that affect you in anyway" I'm just sitting there thinking,"all that stuff you just said about the trans topic, apply it to religion" I'm way more like my mom than my dad political and logically, and he knows it
This post was edited on 7/30/23 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 7/30/23 at 2:10 pm to bobBoxer
Not even God can judge them.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 2:11 pm to Shoeshine
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No one proselytizes their religion like an atheist does their religion of no religion. NO ONE!
Hmmm... Can you point me to any brick and mortar locales where people gather to soak in the words of evangelical atheists?
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