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re: Why are there no car companies that make cars that looks as good as expensive...
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:45 pm to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:45 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Because as you state, it's all about the brand.
OK, not even going to try anymore.
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Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:50 pm to PrimeTime Money
When a cheap car starts to look like expensive cars, they change up the expensive cars. No one wants to buy an expensive car that looks like the cheap ones. Half the reason you probably think a car looks good is because you know it's expensive (unconsciously and I'm probably exaggerating that a little). But if Nissan throw a big Nissan symbol in the grill of their cars the way Mercedes does, it could have the same exact lines and would not look as good to the general public.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:52 pm to Pecker
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I don't get how people don't understand that there are those out there that actually like the look of minivans, the prius, the VW bug, etc.
Because the reasons you're arguing don't make sense. You cannot point to sales as some validation that people like the way they look. Many, many times there is brand loyalty and a history of quality that greatly affect those sales numbers.
Toyota could come out with a shite-sandwich, slap the Camry badge on it, and it would continue to top the sales charts. Reliability, Toyota's reputation as a quality builder, price, and loyalty to the Camry line have far, far more to do with that than aesthetics.
Also, I think the stigma/lifestyle association that comes with some vehicles has a huge impact. I'll use dresses as an example - my wife, my mother, and my sister call all agree that a dress looks great, but my mom will say that it isn't something she would wear because it is "too young" looking. What she is saying is that all else being equal, she prefers the look of the young looking dress, but it wouldn't be appropriate for her lifestyle, so she doesn't buy it.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:53 pm to PrimeTime Money
Posting in this thread to point out I drive a very expensive car and not, in fact, a cheap one.
Thanks,,
Thanks,,
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:59 pm to KG6
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But if Nissan throw a big Nissan symbol in the grill of their cars the way Mercedes does, it could have the same exact lines and would not look as good to the general public.
That may apply to the general public, but that is bullshite to me as an individual and to many in this thread. We've pointed out the Mazda's and Fusions of the world. A good looking car is a good looking car, plain and simple.
I don't understand why the luxury manufacturers seem to have good looking exteriors cornered.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:00 pm to slackster
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Toyota could come out with a shite-sandwich, slap the Camry badge on it, and it would continue to top the sales charts.
You don't understand how this works.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:07 pm to LNCHBOX
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They are selling less than half the volume compared to how many they sold when it first came out.
Which proves my point about sales volume having little to do with aesthetics because that car has gotten better and better looking and still looks like a Bentley.
We can argue that it wouldn't be competitive to sell better looking cars and what not, and that is perfectly acceptable, but to argue that it is impossible because we're just not conditioned to like the look of a cheap car is ridiculous.
When you're car shopping and see a Hyundai Genesis there shouldn't be any argument as to the aesthetics of the vehicle. Not buying one because you don't want to spend $39k on a Hyundai has nothing to do with whether or not the vehicle looks good.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:11 pm to Pecker
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You don't understand how this works.
What am I missing? I think I've countered your points fairly well actually.
You and LNCHBOX are confusing sales with aesthetics. I'm arguing that there are very, very few, if any, people that purchase a minivan or a Prius, Avalon, or Camry because of the way it looks.
ETA: The vast majority of buyers will keep shelling out money for those vehicles as long as it doesn't look absolutely hideous. If looks are the determining factor they'll go elsewhere.
Hundreds of other reasons, sure, but not because of looks.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:16 pm to 911Moto
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I'm sure there was a bit more to it than that - the Jaguar sedans blow away everything in their class when it comes to the interior. The Audi A8 and BMW 7 series look downright spartan compared to the XJ. Same for the 5s vs. the XF. The color choices, styling, appearance of the leather ...
I don't know shite about cars.....at all. I was lost in the dealership, but she doesn't know the frick to negotiate.
I've never driven anything but a Ford 150, likely won't ever change
As long as it's a Ford and has 4X4 and seat coolers I'll drive it.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:18 pm to PrimeTime Money
Jaguar does a really good job of this, IMO.
$60K looks like $120K.
$60K looks like $120K.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:33 pm to N2cars
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Jaguar
Sorry but I'm not a member of their key demographic
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:44 pm to slackster
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You and LNCHBOX are confusing sales with aesthetics.
You're the one that's confused. And I'm not sure how you still are, but it's you. Not us
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:51 pm to PrimeTime Money
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For example... why does Camry have to look like this:
Because then you wouldn't buy a Lexus. Almost all of the larger brands also have a luxury division and they eventually want you to buy those luxury cars. The brands that don't like Kia and Hyundai try to make nicer looking cars but they are still Kias and Hyundais. Teslas new Model 3 looks great though for a car that is in the low-mid 30s, actually the high 20s if you count the tax credit.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:58 pm to lsu480
They're all getting way better than previously. shite even the new Subaru looks pretty sick. Honda Accord is nice now too.
Toyota in general has just shite the bed lately. Camrys and Corrollas suck arse.
Only thing they do right lately is Tundra, 4runner and Tacoma.
I just bought a new Jeep GC Limited, although not cheap, its certainly not a Range Rover with pretty slick looks and luxurious features.
Toyota in general has just shite the bed lately. Camrys and Corrollas suck arse.
Only thing they do right lately is Tundra, 4runner and Tacoma.
I just bought a new Jeep GC Limited, although not cheap, its certainly not a Range Rover with pretty slick looks and luxurious features.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:10 pm to STLhog
There are too many potholes in Baton Rouge for me to ever buy a car over $35,000 while I live here.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:10 pm to Pecker
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The evidence is in the sales figures of crossover SUVs with similar MPG, safety ratings, and cabin space as minivans vs the sales figures of minivans. If no one thought they looked better than SUVs, minivans would no longer be sold because SUVs today can offer what minivans offer. This is no longer 2001 when SUVs got 17 MPG
Most "SUVs" today ARE minivans.
They're just minivans without sliding doors.
There are only a handfull of real SUVs left: Chevy Tahoe/GMC Yukon, Ford Expedition, Toyota Sequia 4Runner, and Land Cruiser, Lexus GX460 and LX570, Range Rover, Jeep Wrangler... that's pretty much it.
Everything else is unibody construction, AKA a minivan.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:13 pm to lsu480
I will say you can probably sum this up in three main points
1) Some luxury cars' "prettiness" is derived from better materials... paint is a really good example here. Most economy cars are painted in flat colors rather than pearly/metallic paint. Also there is more design time and machining put into luxury car designs.
2) Car companies wanting to differentiate their brands. Many of these brands share the same parent company, and they have a vested interest in ensuring that luxury brands remain a cut above the economy class. The growth a few independent economy brands has helped push economy cars forward though.
3) Branding/trend-setting also plays a role. The name Lexus or Porsche or whatever carries connotations of being the best, therefore people perceive their designs to be innately better.
1) Some luxury cars' "prettiness" is derived from better materials... paint is a really good example here. Most economy cars are painted in flat colors rather than pearly/metallic paint. Also there is more design time and machining put into luxury car designs.
2) Car companies wanting to differentiate their brands. Many of these brands share the same parent company, and they have a vested interest in ensuring that luxury brands remain a cut above the economy class. The growth a few independent economy brands has helped push economy cars forward though.
3) Branding/trend-setting also plays a role. The name Lexus or Porsche or whatever carries connotations of being the best, therefore people perceive their designs to be innately better.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:24 pm to KG6
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No one wants to buy an expensive car that looks like the cheap ones
The cheaper cars are changing to look more expensive, the expensive brands aren't making themselves more plain to fit in with the camry's.
Sorry "lesser" car companies are catching up in styling and your ride isn't bringing in the attention you so desperately crave.
You drive, or want us to believe you drive, a car that cost more than 35K. You're better than us. We get it.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:30 pm to tlsu15
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The cheaper cars are changing to look more expensive, the expensive brands aren't making themselves more plain to fit in with the camry's.
Sorry "lesser" car companies are catching up in styling and your ride isn't bringing in the attention you so desperately crave.
You drive, or want us to believe you drive, a car that cost more than 35K. You're better than us. We get it.
I hate the term butt hurt, but there's so much of it in this post. And just an FYI KG6 has a Tahoe and a Jetta TDI I believe.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:36 pm to upgrayedd
Yup. KIA is a vet quality car company. People laughed at me for having two of them but have had great results with both. I have a 2013 optima and zero problems at all. Only has 25,000 on it. Cruising the interstate at about 80 and you barely feel it.and then you stomp it and you are 110 in seconds.
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