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re: Why are drugs and prostitution illegal?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:27 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:27 pm to Darth_Vader
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Making things like meth and heroin legal would only make them even easier to get and more accessible to more people
Exactly. That's the fricking point. 
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:27 pm to Napoleon
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I cannot see more people doing these two because they are "accessible" people who want to do meth and heroin can get meth and heroin.
You don't just wake up out of bed one day and say "I want to do crystal meth". No you usually get there from cocaine or amphetamine, or something else, then because of price, or a search for a better high (chasing the dragon) they move on the meth.
I can say the same for heroin, right now many of the new heroin overdose cases were people who used to take oxycontin or other opioids, then find themselves cut off, or again prohibited due to price or wanting a stronger high. The thing about these two drugs is, to get people off we give them a stronger, longer lasting drug.
I'll be honest with you, for the life of me I've never understood the motivation for doing any drug. I personally prefer having all my faculties about myself... That and I like not having my teeth rot out or huge open sores all over my face. But that does not change the fact that every day there are people who for the first time will pick up a crack/meth pipe or stick a needle in their arm.
And one thing I'd like to make clear here. I think that the focus on stopping these "hard" drugs should be on cutting off the supply and distribution of them instead of taking all the addicts and just throwing them in jail for years at a time.
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Yes Heroin is horrible, Meth is too. Of all drugs, those and PCP would be the last three I would want legal. Having said that I think drugs made from them could be beneficial in treatment.
You bring up a good point here and one that's not been touched on up until now. I would have zero problems with scientific professionals having access to any substance that they could use to make beneficial medicines. If they can use those or any drugs to make something that could help and benefit people, I'm all for it.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:30 pm to dnm3305
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Ok. So what? How is that relevant at all? What does that have to do with anyone being able to put what they want into their own body?
Go back a few pages and you'll see where I spelled out how them putting meth "in their own body" does indeed have a huge cost to society that you, me, and every other tax payer is left to foot the bill. And I'm not talking about the cost of attempted law enforcement.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:34 pm to Darth_Vader
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Go back a few pages and you'll see where I spelled out how them putting meth "in their own body" does indeed have a huge cost to society that you, me, and every other tax payer is left to foot the bill. And I'm not talking about the cost of attempted law enforcement.
How is that relevant to the legality of it. Whether it's legal or illegal, people that want to do meth will do meth. Many people do meth, not out of want, but because like a bunch of fricking idiots, this society has made drugs illegal. Meth is manufactured so it can be produced nearly anywhere making it the most accessible next best thing. If it wasnt the the inaccessibility of other drugs, alot of people may not even try meth. Napolean is killing it in this thread and is spot on in everything he's saying.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:35 pm to Napoleon
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I'll reiterate what I have said previously. I truly believe that with broad legalization, the use of manufactured drugs like heroine and meth would diminish.
They could get controlled Morphine or Amphetamine, but again a lot of people who turn to meth do so because of lack of options. In places where meth is overboard, you don't see cocaine. Look at those shows about dealers and junkies and such. They mention that lack every time. The rise of meth is a direct result of the difficulties of cocaine to produce in some areas. Meth can just be made. Then meth has the highest ROI for manufacturers so of course it's pushed. I just think with other options those two would become fringe drugs.
Herein lies another problem with the two drugs you listed, morphine & amphetamine. Both are highly addictive. And as you yourself pointed out, Many addicts who start out on one drug will "chase the dragon" and eventually move on to more powerful drugs. This is one of the big things that get people to first try drugs like meth. They start on one drug and then move on to the next and the next. And as they progress down the rabbit hole, they become less and less of a productive member of society and thus more of a drain on society.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:41 pm to dnm3305
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How is that relevant to the legality of it. Whether it's legal or illegal, people that want to do meth will do meth. Many people do meth, not out of want, but because like a bunch of fricking idiots, this society has made drugs illegal. Meth is manufactured so it can be produced nearly anywhere making it the most accessible next best thing. If it wasnt the the inaccessibility of other drugs, alot of people may not even try meth. Napolean is killing it in this thread and is spot on in everything he's saying.
The relevance is society has a real and overwhelming motivation to limit the affects of drugs like meth on it's population.
Meth is a very destructive drug to both the people who take it and the community around them. It a fact that meth addicts place a massive burden on their local hospitals due to the medical side effects of the drug. It's also a fact that meth use breaks down a person's impulse control, thus making them more likely to commit crimes. I even posted earlier in this thread how some places in the US are seeing upwards of 60% of all people arrested being positive for meth. Thus it's in society's best interest to try and stamp out drugs like meth.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:53 pm to Darth_Vader
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The relevance is society has a real and overwhelming motivation to limit the affects of drugs like meth on it's population.
Society should mind its own fricking business.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 2:55 pm to Darth_Vader
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Alcohol is a very destructive drug to both the people who take it and the community around them. It a fact that alcohol addicts place a massive burden on their local hospitals due to the medical side effects of the drug. It's also a fact that alcohol use breaks down a person's impulse control, thus making them more likely to commit crimes. I even posted earlier in this thread how some places in the US are seeing upwards of 60% of all people arrested being positive for alcohol. Thus it's in society's best interest to try and stamp out drugs like alcohol.
I FIFY. It's as if you people learn absolutely nothing from history.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 3:05 pm to dnm3305
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I FIFY. It's as if you people learn absolutely nothing from history.
Two problems with your point.
1. It's not true and borderline absurd.
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2. Even if it were true, making meth legal would not solve the problem but only make it even worse.
Look, I have no problem with legalizing drugs like pot and even LSD or mushrooms. But we'd be idiots for legalizing things like meth, crack, and heroin. If we think we've got a problem with addiction in this country today trying to solve it by making all drugs legal would be like trying to put out a fire by throwing gasoline on it.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 6/10/15 at 3:10 pm to Darth_Vader
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Even if it were true, making meth legal would not solve the problem but only make it even worse.
And you have absolutely no way of knowing that. In fact, logical thinking tells us that its consumption would go down because it would not be the only accessible drug in any given area.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 6/10/15 at 3:11 pm to Darth_Vader
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some places in the US are seeing upwards of 60% of all people arrested being positive for meth.
get the frick out of here.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 3:12 pm to Darth_Vader
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But we'd be idiots for legalizing things like meth, crack, and heroin. If we think we've got a problem with addiction in this country today trying to solve it by making all drugs legal would be like trying to put out a fire by throwing gasoline on it.
The underlying fact that every single person that is for prohibition fails to realize is that people that want to do drugs will do drugs. People that dont want to do drugs wont do drugs. The legality of it has no bearing on whether or not people use. This is so simple and basic, yet it just gets overanalyzed so much. Do you think marijuana use has gone up, down, or stayed level in Colorado since it's legalization?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 3:31 pm to Breesus
Religious zealots
Posted on 6/10/15 at 3:38 pm to Breesus
religious right
Posted on 6/10/15 at 3:53 pm to Breesus
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get the frick out of here.
I could see that in Honolulu or Guam or any other place where most drugs are next to impossible to get. In places like that, you can get Meth or Rx drugs and maybe pot if you know a grower.
If you ever saw Dog the Bounty Hunter, everyone was on Meth because there was nothing else.
Cocaine is a rich man's drug, crack is a poor mans drug, but if you legalized Cocaine, you can't stop people from buying Baking Soda.
Personally I just want pot legalized, I prefer that to drinking. The other stuff, I care less about, that said I think legalization and treatment are the answers, not arrests and ruining lives.
How many people have been arrested and made felons or served long stretches of time only for doing drugs (not selling or other crimes) I'd say the number is in the 100's of thousands. So is incarceration really better for those people than treatment or just being left to "kill themselves" with drug addiction? Who are they really hurting?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 6:54 pm to Napoleon
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How many people have been arrested and made felons or served long stretches of time only for doing drugs (not selling or other crimes)
Draconian sanctions.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 7:37 pm to Robin Masters
Sounds like George Carlin. :)
Posted on 6/10/15 at 7:43 pm to Breesus
The answer is religion. Not saying I agree or disagree with it, it's just the truth.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 7:52 pm to Breesus
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2nd of all, they should arrest fatasses who bring their kids to McDonalds. That's more harmful to society than drugs or prostitution.
Chris Christie strongly disagrees.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 8:07 pm to dnm3305
quote:ignoring tourists, i bet the increase is less than 10% and will go down over time as it loses its novelty.
Do you think marijuana use has gone up, down, or stayed level in Colorado since it's legalization?
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