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re: Who was the genius who told KiSS to take the makeup off?

Posted on 9/21/25 at 8:48 pm to
Posted by UKWildcats
Lexington, KY
Member since Mar 2015
18758 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 8:48 pm to
I was born in 83, so KISS wasn't in my wheelhouse growing up. I completely get why they were so big with the makeup and the stage show and all that.

But musically, for me, Love Gun and Detroit Rock City are pretty much it. I've tried giving a lot of their stuff a. chance and a lot of it is just.....lol not great.
Posted by In The Know
City of St George, La
Member since Jan 2005
6338 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 8:49 pm to
Peter was an average drummer- what are you talking about? Ace was/is a good guitarist. Gene is average as hell on bass and Paul isn’t much better. Tommy Thayer is an excellent guitarist.

Paul has a deformed ear which is why he has kept his hair so long.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
37625 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 8:53 pm to
KISS fricking sucks.
One of the biggest frauds of modern rock music and that’s saying a lot.
Trash music for trash people.
Posted by brsa
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Sep 2007
1258 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 8:54 pm to
quote:

Peter was an average drummer- what are you talking about? Ace was/is a good guitarist.


Hence the "IMO".

quote:

Tommy Thayer is an excellent guitarist.


That wasn't KISS.
This post was edited on 9/21/25 at 8:57 pm
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 8:59 pm to
Nirvana
Posted by chity
Chicago, Il
Member since Dec 2008
6689 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

plain looking Jewish guys


So, just like everyone else in the entertainment business.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
25357 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

Destroyer ….


Best album they ever released with the exception of side 4 of Alive II
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
11905 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 10:28 pm to
Alive III and Revenge era KISS is very underrated.
Posted by sqerty
AP
Member since May 2022
8129 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 10:54 pm to
Here, I found the interview where Gene lays it out

quote:

Gene Simmons recalls why Kiss decided to take the makeup off

“So, Peter left. We got a new drummer, Eric Carr, who was just fantastic, and tried to come back from (Kiss’ 1980 album) ‘Unmasked’ and, you know, the disco stuff. And so he put out a heavier record, ‘Creatures of the Night.’ So, all that stuff was going on.”

“It did not do well in America. Music was changing, but at the very same time, we played Maracanã for 200,000 people in Rio. Vinnie Vincent was in the band. Half the band was gone. We just expect people to accept the new guys.”

“We liked the record. We’re kind of headed in the right direction. But it’s not working in America because, at the same time, you’ve got all these different… Punk and New Romance and Adam and the Ants and everything else happening.”
You’ve got a younger fan base that are more active. So we don’t know what to do. So, Paul comes up with the idea of, ‘Maybe it’s time to take the makeup off.’ And I’m going, ‘I’m not sure about that. We have a quote legacy,’ whatever.”

“You know, we lasted longer than The Beatles. Beatles lasted seven years and put out all this astonishing stuff and never, as far as I’m concerned, never decayed. Just kept moving, evolving. But of course, nobody is the Beatles. And so, I gave in. I said, ‘Okay, let’s see what happens.’ And this ‘Lick It Up’ record happened,” Gene Simmons said




During their unmasked era, the band released the albums: “Lick It Up” (1983), “Animalize” (1984), “Asylum” (1985), “Crazy Nights” (1987), “Hot in the Shade” (1989), “Revenge” (1992) and
“Carnival of Souls: The Final Sessions” (1997). LINK
Posted by johnqpublic
Right here
Member since Oct 2017
799 posts
Posted on 9/21/25 at 11:07 pm to
quote:

Peter Criss = Peter Criscula


George Peter John Criscuola
Posted by Tall Tiger
Golden Rectangle
Member since Sep 2007
4172 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 4:02 am to
I was not a fan of Lick It Up. Vinnie Vincent was under utilized on that album. All the post Ace guitarists were basically contract players who had very little power in the band. Not easy working for Gene and Paul.

As a footnote, Vinnie Vincent legitimately had gender dysphoria. He is a woman now.
Posted by Palomitz
Miami
Member since Oct 2009
2658 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 8:38 am to
I read Gene's book "Sex Money Kiss" several years ago. The guy could sell you an used underwear with skid marks for $20. This guy was not a rock star but an entrepreneur, a business man whose spending habits were borderline miserable. And it was hard to believe that he never drank or took drugs during the peak of his career b/c he thought "poor decisions while intoxicated led to bad financial consequences". Hard to believe but true story.
Posted by Thracken13
Aft Cargo Hold of Serenity
Member since Feb 2010
18539 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 8:42 am to
Love Gun was about Paul Stanley's Dick! - Wheeler
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
14919 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 9:41 am to
quote:

Probably the same person who wrote Lick it up


Hate that song. The rest of the album is great.

Also hate Rock and Roll all Night

Detroit Rock City should he their anthem. Jammin tune.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9567 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 10:01 am to


Ace Frehly and Vince Neil are morphing into the same guy, like some hideous geriatric heavy metal Voltron.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
34320 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 10:02 am to
KISS was ICP before ICP
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
10713 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 10:08 am to
quote:

Probably the same person who wrote Lick it up


Spinal Tap was released the next year. Coincidence?

Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9567 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 10:11 am to
quote:

Eric Carr never got his due. RIP Eric


I remember the year he died, and Rolling Stone left him out of their list of Rock’s departed for the previous year. Gene and Paul sent them a letter knocking them for that. It was really pathetic on their part, but at least RS published it. It was still a shite move, though, all because Rolling Stone’s management hated metal and hard rock.





Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
10713 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 10:13 am to
quote:

plain looking Jewish guys


I saw them in concert once. I was amazed at how much Paul Stanley sounded like an orthodox jewish Aunt. Sounded exactly like Mike Meyers in Coffee Talk (SNL).

It's hard to take Kiss seriously. Yeah it's fun and there's some tolerable songs here and there. Closer to The Monkeys than they were to Led Zepplin.
Posted by fore4
texas
Member since Aug 2007
119 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 7:59 pm to
Still pissed they canceled their Assembly Center concert March 17th, 1983. Had 8th row.
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