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re: Who is the GOAT of all U.S generals?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 6:50 pm to ned nederlander
Posted on 9/27/23 at 6:50 pm to ned nederlander
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Forrest slaughtered a few hundred surrendered American soldiers for fun.
False. Never happened.
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Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:03 pm to TigerBR1111
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You need to do more research on D-Day. There was far from a certain prospect of victory.
Eisenhower didn't command shite on D-Day. He just gave the order to go. The battlefield commander that day was Montgomery and even he relied heavily on his two army commanders: Bradley and Dempsey. Bottom line, it's very difficult to rank generals from the 20th century as they were less involved with the tactical and more involved in the operational and strategic due to the incredible size of their armies.
Eisenhower can't be in this discussion as he never led troops in the field. The man was a great administrator and logistician. But a battlefield commander he was not.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:07 pm to RollTide1987
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Eisenhower didn't command shite on D-Day.
The man carried the weight of the entire operation.
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Eisenhower can't be in this discussion as he never led troops in the field. The man was a great administrator and logistician. But a battlefield commander he was not.
Read the OP subject line. You are only trying to set your own parameters
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:10 pm to TigerBR1111
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The man carried the weight of the entire operation.
Sure. If it failed it was on him, but as soon as he gave the order to go he could do nothing but twiddle his thumbs and monitor reports coming in from the field. The success or failure of the invasion from that point forward depended on decisions made at the small unit level.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:12 pm to RollTide1987
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Sure. If it failed it was on him, but as soon as he gave the order to go he could do nothing but twiddle his thumbs and monitor reports coming in from the field. The success or failure of the invasion from that point forward depended on decisions made at the small unit level.
That’s like saying a football coach is of no use once the game starts because it’s all on the players.
Eisenhower planned it for all of his generals to carry out
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:13 pm to Sam Quint
FDR then Truman, and Churchill made that deal
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:21 pm to TigerBR1111
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That’s like saying a football coach is of no use once the game starts because it’s all on the players.
No, it’s not. Coaches can make adjustments to their tactics in real-time; Eisenhower could not.
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Eisenhower planned it for all of his generals to carry out
Incorrect. The primary planner of Operation Overlord was Lt. General Frederick Morgan of COSSAC, the precursor to Eisenhower’s SHAEF.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:28 pm to GetCocky11
quote:Should've listened to Patton!
I'm not sure what you expected Eisenhower to do in that situation.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:29 pm to Truama_dawg
You know this will turn racist, because most generals are all racist
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:33 pm to Truama_dawg
Maurice Rose. Guy really knew how to get things done.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:35 pm to Sam Quint
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certainly MacArthur for the majority of his career
McArthur didn't do himself a favor during the Korean War
His pro-nuke attitude was nice to read about
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:43 pm to Truama_dawg
Washington based off of accomplishment.
Jackson off of audacity. I think he was a Christian Zealot. I think God took him out, his faith strong but his cause was not.
Grant he understood math and he didn’t let his ego rule him.
Jackson off of audacity. I think he was a Christian Zealot. I think God took him out, his faith strong but his cause was not.
Grant he understood math and he didn’t let his ego rule him.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:46 pm to TigerBR1111
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Eisenhower planned it for all of his generals to carry out
He also let Monty execute Market Garden. That's a strike.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:52 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Running an entire fleet through a typhoon wasn't his best moment. Leaving Taffy 3 and the amphib groups unprotected at Leyte Gulf was his biggest blunder. So, no way is Halsey in the GOAT conversation.
Halsey is forgotten for what he did at the beginning of the war. He prosecuted the war with little resources. He set the navy up in those early years for what was to happen in ‘44 and ‘45. Even Spruance understood Halley’s efforts in those early war years. It’s easy to enjoy the later times when the fast attack fleet destroyed everything in its wake, it’s another thing to be tactful in your actions in the early years, when resources were scarce. That in of itself, puts Halsey up there.
Probably another admiral is Ching Lee. He was all-battleship and made the USS Washington his personal yacht. He understood and improved naval gunnery the likes of King was impressed by.
I also like Admiral Charles Lockwood. He was commander of South Pacific subs, then over all sub operations. He was another critical cog during those early years.
Plus, I mean, pre-war, when Admiral King was Capt of the Lexington, his admiral raised the flag of something along the lines of “proceed back to base” which was typically meant to fall in line behind the admiral’s flagship back to base. King took it upon himself to take Lex up to best speed and beat the fleet back by several hours. King knew submarine and naval aviation warfare. Two aspects that were critical to the US in those early years.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:56 pm to HonorThyWarEagle
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McArthur didn't do himself a favor during the Korean War
Agreed. I had several follow on posts about Macarthur after that one, not sure if you read the whole thread. And actually his performance in the Korean War was pretty legendary as well - the defense and breakout of Pusan, the landing at Inchon, etc. It was his inability to grasp that he was fighting a different kind of war after that (plus a noteworthy amount of hubris) that led to his charge to the Yalu and his ultimate downfall.
If he had retired right after driving the North Koreans out (and then stayed out of domestic politics afterwards) he would almost undoubtedly have gone down as one of the greatest Americans in history.
But sadly, what made him great ultimately led to his fall.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:56 pm to Adam Banks
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The correct answer.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:00 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Agreed. Arguably the first to understand modern, total war.
The correct answer.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:08 pm to Truama_dawg
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I’m going to go out on a limb and say the OT has probably won’t say Grant
Of course they won't. But this is the obvious answer to your question.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
He should have completely burned Atlanta to the ground.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:17 pm to Wolfhound45
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Agreed. Arguably the first to understand modern, total war.
If they ever wanted to make a good historical movie, his would be great
Dad dies, fostered with important family
West Point with a crap ton of future civil war players
Florida, Indian wars, then to California during the war with Mexico (much to his chagrin)
Shipwrecks, gold rush, banking
Stint at early LSU cut short by the civil war.
Accurately predicts what will happen during the war.
Maybe went crazy, redeems himself, civil war exploits. He was at Bull Run, Shiloh, teams up with Grant, Atlanta, through Georgia, South Carolina and the end of the war.
Heads the army when Grant becomes president.
More Indian wars.
Makes the most of his retirement as a living legend.
He was a crazy fricker. “Grant stood by me when I was crazy, and I stood by him when he was drunk, and now we stand by each other.”
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 8:20 pm
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