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re: Who is atop your Mt. Rushmore of world leaders in history?
Posted on 11/8/24 at 12:46 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 11/8/24 at 12:46 pm to VolSquatch
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Washington was kind of this rigid military guy. Without the incredible collection of great men and thinkers around him, he ends up known historically as a good to very good, but probably not great leader.
I was referring more to his skill in the political arena than his skill on the battlefield. The man united the country at a very perilous time in our history. He was unanimously elected president twice and then stepped down voluntarily when he could have easily won a third, fourth, and even fifth term.
The precedents he set laid the groundwork for what would enable the United States to become the most powerful nation on earth in roughly 170 years.
This post was edited on 11/8/24 at 12:50 pm
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Posted on 11/8/24 at 12:49 pm to Landmass
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Lincoln was closer to Hitler than he was to Washington,
Lincoln was basically Putin
There was a smaller peaceful country where everybody was happy and it had beautiful women just like Ukraine and the tyrant Lincoln had to attack it
Posted on 11/8/24 at 12:55 pm to el Gaucho
He decided to just throw the constitution in the trash can, imprisoned any dissenters, and decided to launch a full-scale attack on the South without even trying diplomacy. He was a shite.
Posted on 11/8/24 at 12:59 pm to RollTide1987
George Washington
Alexander the Great
Emperor Shirakawa
Chicken
Alexander the Great
Emperor Shirakawa
Chicken
This post was edited on 11/8/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 11/8/24 at 1:02 pm to kciDAtaE
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Washington doesn’t belong on that list. He was never a world leader. President of essentially 13 colonies isn’t up to par with those others.
Also, the Brits didn't really put forth much effort, relatively speaking, to win the war. They just took it for granted until it was too late. They had bigger fish to fry eleswhere.
I know people want to romanticize Washington and his forces, but it was kind of like an FCS team beating a P4 team who was looking ahead to their next game.
Posted on 11/8/24 at 1:06 pm to Landmass
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He decided to just throw the constitution in the trash can, imprisoned any dissenters, and decided to launch a full-scale attack on the South without even trying diplomacy.
Lincoln did not consider the Confederate States of America a legitimate nation and thus never considered negotiation or diplomacy. Instead he considered them "states in rebellion." And while it's very easy to sit here and talk about his misdeeds with 20/20 hindsight, there was no guarantee that the United States would survive as a nation in 1861. Maryland was very much on the verge of seceding that spring and if they had done so, Washington City (as it was commonly referred to back then) would have been 100 miles inside the Confederacy.
What could he have done differently? Maryland was a hotbed of radical secession, especially after the Baltimore Riots, and that was a state he absolutely could not afford to secede from the Union given its geographic location.
Posted on 11/8/24 at 1:10 pm to RollTide1987
Lincoln was kamala and Jefferson Davis was trump
Posted on 11/8/24 at 1:12 pm to kciDAtaE
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Washington doesn’t belong on that lis
Agreed. To parochial.
I might go with Simon Bolivar, Pope Innocent III or Mahatma Ghandi.
Posted on 11/8/24 at 1:12 pm to RollTide1987
the Nicktator
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Special Ed
The pirate,
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Special Ed
The pirate,
Posted on 11/8/24 at 1:15 pm to Rex Feral
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Napoleon
Charlemagne
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If we're including bad guys, replace Alfred the Great with Genghis Kahn
Why is Genghis a bad guy but Napoleon and Charlemagne aren't when they did the same things?
Posted on 11/8/24 at 1:53 pm to el Gaucho
Gaucho,
You refer to “a peaceful country where everyone was happy…”
I’m sure that you’re referring to the Confederate stares. But there were 3.5 million or so slaves who probably disagreed with your assertion. They weren’t happy and in many cases were oppressed violently.
You refer to “a peaceful country where everyone was happy…”
I’m sure that you’re referring to the Confederate stares. But there were 3.5 million or so slaves who probably disagreed with your assertion. They weren’t happy and in many cases were oppressed violently.
Posted on 11/8/24 at 1:54 pm to RollTide1987
After a deep dive into Reagan speeches and watching the recent movie, I would put him up there. The warhawk Bushes wasted a huge oppurtunity at lasting peace and prosperity that Reagan left the West.
Posted on 11/8/24 at 2:07 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Why is Genghis a bad guy but Napoleon and Charlemagne aren't when they did the same things?
Napoleon and Charlemagne were nowhere near as ruthless as the Khans were.
Posted on 11/8/24 at 2:12 pm to RollTide1987
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Napoleon and Charlemagne were nowhere near as ruthless as the Khans were.
I never said they were. But all three were about expanding empires. Why is one group considered bad and the other two not?
Posted on 11/8/24 at 2:28 pm to Landmass
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He decided to just throw the constitution in the trash can, imprisoned any dissenters, and decided to launch a full-scale attack on the South without even trying diplomacy. He was a shite.
dont think the south had any right to whine about locking people up against their will
This post was edited on 11/8/24 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 11/8/24 at 2:31 pm to RollTide1987
Taking the south out of it entirely, he still shite on the Constitution and imprisoned people for dissent.
- Had northern newspapers shutdown for speaking against the war
- Arrested journalists
- Imprisoned city of Baltimore officials
- Violated Supreme Court rulings against him
- Ordered the arrest of the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS
- Suspended the Writ of Habeus Corpus
- Declared war without Congress
- Declared war on his own country (Since he did not recognize the South as a sovereign state)
- Had northern newspapers shutdown for speaking against the war
- Arrested journalists
- Imprisoned city of Baltimore officials
- Violated Supreme Court rulings against him
- Ordered the arrest of the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS
- Suspended the Writ of Habeus Corpus
- Declared war without Congress
- Declared war on his own country (Since he did not recognize the South as a sovereign state)
Posted on 11/8/24 at 2:32 pm to RollTide1987
Eisenhower
Saban
Mandela
Napoleon
Saban
Mandela
Napoleon
Posted on 11/8/24 at 2:35 pm to soccerfüt
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Hank Stram
Posted on 11/8/24 at 3:01 pm to RollTide1987
I don’t read the thread so I’m sure these were posted:
George Washington
Ghenghis Khan
Attila the Hun
Julius Caesar
George Washington
Ghenghis Khan
Attila the Hun
Julius Caesar
Posted on 11/8/24 at 3:48 pm to RollTide1987
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What could he have done differently? Maryland was a hotbed of radical secession, especially after the Baltimore Riots, and that was a state he absolutely could not afford to secede from the Union given its geographic location.
Lincoln sent troops to Annapolis to basically prevent Maryland from seceding. It's very likely the state would have otherwise.
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