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re: Who here is a convert to Catholicism?
Posted on 5/2/21 at 8:55 pm to bayoubengals88
Posted on 5/2/21 at 8:55 pm to bayoubengals88
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Impossible in fact. That’s why Luther got excommunicated. He dared to question what was quite obvious—Salvation based on merit is unattainable unless our merit is actually that of Christ’s alone.
Faith without works is dead.
James 2:26
Posted on 5/2/21 at 8:58 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:Luther agrees.
Faith without works is dead.
James 2:26
Faith bears fruit. If no fruit results from faith then there is no faith.
Ephesians 1-2 explains that “God saved us.”
Ephesians 4-6 explains “since God saved us be thankful and act right.” It’s a natural progression.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:01 pm to LSUMANINVA
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She had six kids. I’ll leave it at that.
Lol a true catholic
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:01 pm to thelawnwranglers
Converted in my mid-thirties. Grew up in a mainstream baptist church in a church going family. I was always put off with what I perceived as a preoccupation with eschatological teachings in the church I grew up in (1970's-1980's) as well as plenty other more literal interpretation of scripture. My wife is a cradle Catholic, and I am comfortable with regular mass attendance and participation within my church family. Our children have been raised Catholic and gone to Catholic schools which has been a positive experience.
Funny thing is that several of my siblings' children have also converted as young adults after marrying Roman Catholics. We now have a "Catholic Wing" of the family as I like to call it.
Funny thing is that several of my siblings' children have also converted as young adults after marrying Roman Catholics. We now have a "Catholic Wing" of the family as I like to call it.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:03 pm to BigPapiDoesItAgain
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I was always put off with what I perceived as a preoccupation with eschatological teachings in the church I grew up in (1970's-1980's) as well as plenty other more literal interpretation of scripture.
This happens too. We’ll call it Exhibit B.
Why did you overlook Presbyterianism? Lutheranism? A good ACNA Anglican Church?
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:09 pm to bayoubengals88
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed your posts in this thread and have learned from them. My 2 decades in LA have been interesting, as I’ve previously lived in a predominantly Protestant area. Surprisingly, I’ve come to see RCCs as a more ‘do-nothing’ brand of Christian than any other denomination. I don’t mean that offensively and insultingly. They just seem to make the rules fit more than others.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:09 pm to bayoubengals88
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Why did you overlook Presbyterianism? Lutheranism? A good ACNA Anglican Church?
Because those were not founded by Christ
Although I shouldn’t answer for the one you asked
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:11 pm to John Wayne
quote:We are all connected by faith in Christ and we all share a common baptism. Ephesians 4.
Former Baptist convert to the One, Holy, Catholic Church.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:13 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:No more or no less than any other church that bases its membership on faith and baptism.
Because those were not founded by Christ
Christ founded one church. All the names came later. No matter if you are Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Southern Baptist, Presbyterian, or non denomination, if you place your faith in Jesus Christ you are part of his one universal church.
I don't see any way around this Scripturally.
Eph. 4:4
There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
What's the requirement for being part of the Body of Christ? Part of the Church? An inward conversion of the heart wrought by God. The end.
Ephesians 2:1-4
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the bodya and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.b 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved
When you get that, you've got it all.
This post was edited on 5/2/21 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:15 pm to turkish
quote:Thanks friend. One of my favorite resources for learning is Michael Horton's White Horse Inn.
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed your posts in this thread and have learned from them.
Regarding this
quote:it can be sadly true depending on the parish.
I’ve come to see RCCs as a more ‘do-nothing’ brand of Christian than any other denomination. I don’t mean that offensively and insultingly. They just seem to make the rules fit more than others.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:18 pm to bayoubengals88
Converted from Catholic to Baptist.I was born and raised Catholic,12 years Catholic School.Spent 2 years in Spain during the Franco years when Catholicism was only religion allowed.Worked in Catholic Hospital 30 years.After all that I was done with Catholic Church.
Don’t get me wrong,there are lots of good honest people in Catholic Church but the hypocrisy I saw and experienced turned me against it.The current pope has only reinforced,in my mind,that I made the right choice.
I’ve read the Bible,I never saw Catholic Church mentioned as the only true church as they claim..I also don’t believe in purgatory and all that business about about donating money for special masses to buy a poor soul in purgatory some time off their sentence.
I have friends and acquaintances of lots of religions,I don’t discuss religion and change the subject if anyone tries to bring it up.
Don’t get me wrong,there are lots of good honest people in Catholic Church but the hypocrisy I saw and experienced turned me against it.The current pope has only reinforced,in my mind,that I made the right choice.
I’ve read the Bible,I never saw Catholic Church mentioned as the only true church as they claim..I also don’t believe in purgatory and all that business about about donating money for special masses to buy a poor soul in purgatory some time off their sentence.
I have friends and acquaintances of lots of religions,I don’t discuss religion and change the subject if anyone tries to bring it up.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:27 pm to LSUA 75
quote:Yeah, not even St. Augustine interpreted Matthew 16:18 the way that later popes would.
I never saw Catholic Church mentioned as the only true church as they claim
It's undeniable that the political power of Christendom wrecked the theology of the Roman Catholic Church. Not too different from how the political power of the evangelical right wrecked what we now know as "evangelicalism".
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:36 pm to Champagne
I converted because we wanted to raise our children in a church. The wife was active in her Catholic faith. I was a bad Southern Baptist. So, I agreed to convert. Was very active in the church and the Catholic schools. None of the kids are Catholic now, but all appreciated us giving them a good, consistent moral upbringing, and are good people!
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:37 pm to bayoubengals88
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Catholicism says “Do.”
Historic Protestantism says “Done.”
Do you think that most people will be able to understand your point here? Or could you expound on it a bit for those who may not gather in your full meaning here?
And, to those who recently converted to Catholicism, I wonder whether THEY could explain why, rather than have someone who is apparently not a Catholic explain this.
Thanks.
Good conversation here.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:39 pm to Slippy
Grew up catholic, now athiest. Best decision i ever made
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:45 pm to Champagne
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Do you think that most people will be able to understand your point here?
I actually clarified shortly afterward, but I’ll also respond again in a slightly different way: The Law (as in Mosaic Old Testament) says “do”.
The Gospel of Christ says “done”. The two couldn't be more different.
Catholicism on the whole tends to act as if Christ failed to fulfill the law...so you’ve got a bunch of serious Catholics running around trying to follow the whole law themselves.
See early Luther.
He was the best of monks before discovering what the New Testament said about grace and the peace that comes from grace (Rom. 5:1).
Sadly, Luther had never read the NT until he was assigned to teach it in seminary!! The Church of Rome was in shambles.
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GreenRockTiger correctly said this about my "do/done" comment:
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And in some respect, both are correct
Then I responded:
quote:YET, the Council of Trent, the most definitive body of doctrine in the Catholic faith, says this: If any one saith, that the commandments of God are, even for one that is justified and constituted in grace, impossible to keep; let him be anathema.
Undoubtedly. But that would take an advanced and nuanced discussion.
I “do” out of thanksgiving for what he’s done for me.
If God were to ask me why I should “get in” I’m pointing to Christ. My sin is covered by his atonement. The end.
That makes me want to “do good”. It’s overwhelming at times. It’s fantastic.
I don’t “do good” for my own good. That would be futile. On this, the Bible is clear. Is. 64 says "All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away."
The idea that we cannot keep the commandments of God is a notion that is worthy of hell? no thanks.
This post was edited on 5/2/21 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:50 pm to Champagne
quote:Several have, and they have largely aligned with what I have argued is typical of a Catholic conversion. Other than that, it was weak Protestants going with the flow, appeasing wife, etc.
to those who recently converted to Catholicism, I wonder whether THEY could explain why,
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:58 pm to bayoubengals88
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Catholicism on the whole tends to act as if Christ failed to fulfill the law...so you’ve got a bunch of serious Catholics running around trying to follow the whole law themselves
We don’t think Christ failed at all. We are listening to what He instructed - to love God with all our heart, and with all our soul, and with all our mind and to love our neighbor as ourself.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:08 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:I'd argue that you're adding to what Christ said. Because, if at any point you fail in your duties, you're totally screwed.
We are listening to what He instructed - to love God with all our heart, and with all our soul, and with all our mind and to love our neighbor as ourself.
Miss a Holy day of obligation? Die? Hell.
Willingly miss mass? Die? Hell.
Fail to confess to a priest annually? Die? Hell.
This whole "state of grace" nonsense is contrived trash meant to keep you in line with medieval sacerdotalism so that the church would thrive. Add to that purgatory, relics, indulgences, and the treasury of merit.
Is this peace with God or is it striving in vain?
There's a lot of Christianity in Roman Catholicism, but there's also a lot of manmade extra biblical laws that bind, which is why Luther named one of his works "The Babylonian Captivity of the Church" and followed it with "The Freedom of a Christian".
Look at what your most extensive body of doctrine in the history of your church says about keeping the commands of God: If any one saith, that the commandments of God are, even for one that is justified and constituted in grace, impossible to keep; let him be anathema.
The idea that we cannot keep the commandments of God is a notion that is worthy of hell? no thanks. The whole point of Christ was that the law and the commands are impossible to keep. The only reason they ever existed was to point to the fact that we could only fail in attempting to keep them (to point out sin).
Where is the grace? Where is the peace with God?
So when you say "love God with all our heart, and with all our soul, and with all our mind and to love our neighbor as ourself." ....do you actually believe that you are capable of doing this? Jesus knew you wouldn't be.
GreenRockTiger: I would never doubt that your intentions are good not would I doubt your status of "saved by grace", but I'm not sure even you would buy the sacramental economy of salvation as sold by the Roman Catholic Church...once you really examine it. Ultimately, it comes down to what you do, not what Christ has done. It is law. It is not the Biblical Gospel of grace.
I'd love to continue this tomorrow, and that goes for anyone.
bayoubengals1988@gmail.com
This post was edited on 5/2/21 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:20 pm to Slippy
I converted from the Methodist church. My grandparents were Mormon. My daughter was baptized by a Baptist minister at birth. My son spent time in Israel.
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