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re: White folks are being hunted.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:53 am to NawlinsTiger9
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:53 am to NawlinsTiger9
who is upset? 
It’s not “difficult” or “upsetting”. it’s just disingenuous. You keep pretending this boils down to either racism or some vague “outside factors,” but real-world problems don’t fit into those neat boxes.
So I’ll turn it back to you: if you actually want solutions, why are you so determined to reduce the conversation to a false choice instead of acknowledging the full set of causes?
It’s not “difficult” or “upsetting”. it’s just disingenuous. You keep pretending this boils down to either racism or some vague “outside factors,” but real-world problems don’t fit into those neat boxes.
So I’ll turn it back to you: if you actually want solutions, why are you so determined to reduce the conversation to a false choice instead of acknowledging the full set of causes?
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Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:54 am to Galactic Inquisitor
What “nice shite” did the Ukrainian girl on the train have?
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:57 am to Klark Kent
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it’s just disingenuous
Except it isn’t
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real-world problems don’t fit into those neat boxes.
I don’t even know what you’re trying to say here. I’m advocating we discuss real-world problems and work towards a solution.
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if you actually want solutions, why are you so determined to reduce the conversation to a false choice instead of acknowledging the full set of causes?
I’m advocating that we look at the “full set of causes” - what are you not getting here dude?
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:57 am to Darth_Vader
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there is a sizable faction of the black population who absolutely loathe white people. Racism is rampant among blacks and is growing.
True and true
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:57 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Other factors are contributing that need to be addressed.
I'm not sure an outside force can change most of the issues, they come from within. There are various programs out there currently to help the youth which is where it needs to start but is it doing anything when these kids go back to their neighborhood and see all the promotion of violence. It's a badge of honor in the poor black communities to go to prison, murder, and go against authority. They are so brainwashed that they don't even realize it's their own people holding them back. Even when the good black folks get money and leave the hood and get in political positions they are not helping you. They want to get away from you. BLM is such a scam that it's absolutely incredible black people still align themselves with it.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:59 am to NawlinsTiger9
You say you’re advocating for the “full set of causes,” but your own framing literally boxed it into two choices: racism, or vague “outside factors.” That’s the very definition of a false dichotomy. again, disingenuous.
If you’re serious about the full set of causes, then start naming them: family structure, cultural norms, failed policies, broken schools, economic factors, and personal accountability. That’s the conversation.
But don’t act like you’re the one championing nuance when your opening move was to strip all nuance away. Dude.
If you’re serious about the full set of causes, then start naming them: family structure, cultural norms, failed policies, broken schools, economic factors, and personal accountability. That’s the conversation.
But don’t act like you’re the one championing nuance when your opening move was to strip all nuance away. Dude.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:00 am to NawlinsTiger9
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I always see these stats thrown out there but I never see any real solutions being offered
What are the real solutions, though? We need to get to the root cause or causes for that.
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Do you believe black people are more inherently violent or prone to violence than white people?
Not simply because they are black.
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If you don’t believe that, then you believe there are other factors at play
This is where we get sidetracked. The issue is related to culture. The only real solutions need to come from within that culture, and money will not fix it.
Individual responsibility needs to be a part of any solution, as does a willingness to move forward from where we are, without constantly pointing to the past, even the relatively recent past. Human nature, being what it is, makes that difficult.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:04 am to Klark Kent
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If you’re serious about the full set of causes, then start naming them: family structure, cultural norms, failed policies, broken schools, economic factors, and personal accountability. That’s the conversation.
Not a single goddam one of those things suggests black people are inherently more violent than white people
We are literally on the same side of this issue and you still found a way to make a pissing match out of it.
If you DON’T attribute the stats in the OP to the things you just mentioned, if you instead attribute it to an inherent propensity for violence, then you’re just categorizing a race of people as inferior - aka, racism.
This isn’t fricking complicated pal.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:08 am to mdomingue
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Individual responsibility needs to be a part of any solution
I agree with this for sure, but that wheel has been turning for so long that it’s really difficult to turn it the other direction.
I think it’s reasonable to acknowledge that it’s a cyclical problem with no simple or quick solution.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:10 am to NawlinsTiger9
If it’s “not complicated,” then why did you start by oversimplifying it into two options and only now admit it’s multifaceted?
Sounds like you’re backpedaling into the nuance I pointed out from the start.
I initially replied because you were being intentionally disingenuous in order to paint anyone who would disagree with you on the subject as racist, pal dude.
Sounds like you’re backpedaling into the nuance I pointed out from the start.
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We are literally on the same side of this issue and you still found a way to make a pissing match out of it.
I initially replied because you were being intentionally disingenuous in order to paint anyone who would disagree with you on the subject as racist, pal dude.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:11 am to Klark Kent
You are the only one of the multiple replies that took it that way broham.
I can read it to you, but I can’t comprehend it for you.
I can read it to you, but I can’t comprehend it for you.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:13 am to NawlinsTiger9
Broham, you literally framed it as two options in black and white. If multiple people didn’t read it that way, maybe they just nodded along without noticing the trap you set. (or because the thread has been anchored).
I’m the one pointing out the flaw in your framing… if you can’t comprehend that, I can’t do your thinking for you.
I’m the one pointing out the flaw in your framing… if you can’t comprehend that, I can’t do your thinking for you.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:14 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Do you believe black people are more inherently violent or prone to violence than white people?
What I 'believe' isn't important. Just like what you 'believe' isn't important. Facts are what's important. And the fact is......
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Black Americans are overrepresented in crime statistics for violent crimes, including those involving knives.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:19 am to Klark Kent
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maybe they just nodded along without noticing the trap you set.
“Everyone is wrong but me!”
The trap of not wanting to waste time discussing the other factors that can contribute to the stats in the OP - factors that you listed, that I agreed with - with people who simply think black people are less than. You caught me!
Face it man, you’ve got a hardon for me and you want to get on here and piss and moan and fight more than you want to do anything else. So much so that you actually agree with me and it took you 6 posts of needless clarification for you to realize it.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:20 am to NawlinsTiger9
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I can read it to you, but I can’t comprehend it for you.
Another classic progressive tactic. When called out on the bullshite, turn it around to try and make the enemy look like they can't comprehend it because you are just "way too smart for them".
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
This entire exchange is classic and is why it is pointless to even try to fix anything when a leftist is involved.
Reality is they don't want it fixed, they want more of it. Why? So they can then blame their failures on YOU, and everything repeats.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:22 am to NawlinsTiger9
Nah, don’t try to twist this into me secretly agreeing with you. That’s laughable at best.
I pointed out from the jump that your framing was a false dichotomy. Only after being pushed did you add the nuance you’re now pretending you had all along. That’s not me “catching you,” that’s you moving the goalposts.
And let’s be real. If you didn’t want to “waste time” on other factors, you wouldn’t have spent half a dozen replies circling back to say we agree while also doing a poor job of insulting me. Looks like you enjoy the back-and-forth as much as I do, pal.
I pointed out from the jump that your framing was a false dichotomy. Only after being pushed did you add the nuance you’re now pretending you had all along. That’s not me “catching you,” that’s you moving the goalposts.
And let’s be real. If you didn’t want to “waste time” on other factors, you wouldn’t have spent half a dozen replies circling back to say we agree while also doing a poor job of insulting me. Looks like you enjoy the back-and-forth as much as I do, pal.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:23 am to Klark Kent
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Nah, don’t try to twist this into me secretly agreeing with you. That’s laughable at best.
It is quite literally what just happened
You’ll realize it in an hour or so, I’m sure
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:26 am to NawlinsTiger9
That’s rich. you’re banking on me “realizing it later” because you can’t defend it now.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:30 am to Klark Kent
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I pointed out from the jump that your framing was a false dichotomy.
Notice that only two leftists have braved this thread and look at what they immediately did.
Very first reply is a leftist justifying someone taking your life because you may have "nicer things" than they do.
Second leftist comes in, states they want to have a "rational" discussion, but first, you have to agree to a certain premise, or you are a racist. When called out on this, they immediately revert to "you are oversensitive and just can't grasp my elite intelligence".
This is what happens on the Politard board too. A progressive calling you a racist before you can even try to discuss the topic is what they call a "good faith argument" over there. LOLOLOLOL
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:36 am to SludgeFactory
bingo.
I knew the playbook from the jump. Expected to be told I’m jumping to conclusions, being overly sensitive, and then have my intelligence insulted.
NT9 is more rational and intelligent than the vast majority of the OT Moderates. I am serious. A, “you know what, I did initially frame this poorly in an over aggressive manner. That’s my bad, let’s reset” would’ve sufficed.
I knew the playbook from the jump. Expected to be told I’m jumping to conclusions, being overly sensitive, and then have my intelligence insulted.
NT9 is more rational and intelligent than the vast majority of the OT Moderates. I am serious. A, “you know what, I did initially frame this poorly in an over aggressive manner. That’s my bad, let’s reset” would’ve sufficed.
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